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30.       lemon
1374 posts
 22 Apr 2010 Thu 01:01 am

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpWa7VW-OME&feature=related

31.       lemon
1374 posts
 22 Apr 2010 Thu 01:03 am

 

Quoting spritzer

 

if you take into account what has been learnt about the earth with both anthropolgy and geology it has always had a cycle ( this is how early migration occured walking on ice to to other lands. believeable or not we will not even be alive for the big freeze in the meantime everyone bake cookies and share {#emotions_dlg.flowers}

 

yes, thats how the earth refreshes itself.

32.       catwoman
8933 posts
 22 Apr 2010 Thu 01:41 am

"from 2005-2008 the Koch brothers pumped in double the amount that even Exxon spent on undermining climate action over the same period."

 

http://www.greenpeace.org/international/news/dirty-money-climate-30032010

33.       spritzer
106 posts
 22 Apr 2010 Thu 02:02 am

 

Quoting catwoman

"from 2005-2008 the Koch brothers pumped in double the amount that even Exxon spent on undermining climate action over the same period."

 

http://www.greenpeace.org/international/news/dirty-money-climate-30032010

 

hmmm greenpeace is that not just an organization that gets people to donate money so they don´t have to work real jobs.  I wonder do they all walk to work - never buy food that has been produced with the use of machinery - use leaves to wipe their errrrrrr uhm ( i ) glorius cheeks mankind has given them. Do they use electricity, computers clothing?.... But they can all hundle together and cry about issues - did you know that any issue can be made into anything for a profit so send all you money to greenpeace so they can fly in jets to nice locations to see if anyone needs an whooping by their foundation

I am going to bake cookies on a rock with the sun

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4izarwDReU

let them find an solution to this one {#emotions_dlg.bigsmile}



Edited (4/22/2010) by spritzer
Edited (4/22/2010) by spritzer

34.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 22 Apr 2010 Thu 10:51 am

Global warming isn´t the correct term. You should say global climate change. This means that yes, the winters are colder in certain countries, but the summers are also hotter. Less rain in deserts, but more rain in other areas. Alllll kinds of changes that upset local environments.

 

I believe in global climate change I read a lot of pro-literature and con-literature and the pro was more convincing. Although I do think that some organizations are messing with the numbers to make it look like more of a direct threat. I know this shock factor helps to convince people, but the "finding out you lied a bit" factor doesn´t help at all

 

Anyway, I´d rather believe in climate change and try to battle it, and be proven wrong later... Than to not believe in it, not battle it, and THEN be proven wrong later With Holland being below sea level and all, I won´t take any chances. 

35.       lemon
1374 posts
 22 Apr 2010 Thu 11:32 am

 

Quoting spritzer

 

 

hmmm greenpeace is that not just an organization that gets people to donate money so they don´t have to work real jobs.  I wonder do they all walk to work - never buy food that has been produced with the use of machinery - use leaves to wipe their errrrrrr uhm ( i ) glorius cheeks mankind has given them. Do they use electricity, computers clothing?.... But they can all hundle together and cry about issues - did you know that any issue can be made into anything for a profit so send all you money to greenpeace so they can fly in jets to nice locations to see if anyone needs an whooping by their foundation

I am going to bake cookies on a rock with the sun

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4izarwDReU

let them find an solution to this one {#emotions_dlg.bigsmile}

 

teach me how to make those cookies on the sun.

36.       lemon
1374 posts
 22 Apr 2010 Thu 11:39 am

 

Quoting barba_mama

Global warming isn´t the correct term. You should say global climate change. This means that yes, the winters are colder in certain countries, but the summers are also hotter. Less rain in deserts, but more rain in other areas. Alllll kinds of changes that upset local environments.

 

I believe in global climate change I read a lot of pro-literature and con-literature and the pro was more convincing. Although I do think that some organizations are messing with the numbers to make it look like more of a direct threat. I know this shock factor helps to convince people, but the "finding out you lied a bit" factor doesn´t help at all

 

Anyway, I´d rather believe in climate change and try to battle it, and be proven wrong later... Than to not believe in it, not battle it, and THEN be proven wrong later With Holland being below sea level and all, I won´t take any chances. 

 

what do you mean by battling?

 

I dont believe in drastic climate changes, but believe climate changes a bit into both directions. one time its hotter, the other its colder.

 

Having said that, I do my own part. I love recycling, I dont waste energy. Everyone hates me for being an energy police. I walk around the house to check if everyone turned off the appliences. I compost everything compostable. I do it out of principles. I want it tidy and organised.

 

I wish alternative energy sources were released and encouraged by the govs such as solar panels, water rain collection, plants for bio energy. I know they wont be supported until...

37.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 22 Apr 2010 Thu 02:07 pm

 

Quoting lemon

 

 

Having said that, I do my own part. I love recycling, I dont waste energy. Everyone hates me for being an energy police. I walk around the house to check if everyone turned off the appliences. I compost everything compostable. I do it out of principles. I want it tidy and organised.

 

I wish alternative energy sources were released and encouraged by the govs such as solar panels, water rain collection, plants for bio energy. I know they wont be supported until...

 

That´s what I mean with the battle Just trying to save energy, not driving a car everywhere, but walking, using a bike, and otherwise taking public transport. Screaming at people for leaving the tv on standby, stuff like that.

 

What is strange in Holland is that we had a good solar-panel financial support, but then they stopped giving subsidies :S I don´t get that.... Nothing motivates people like money

 

38.       lemon
1374 posts
 22 Apr 2010 Thu 02:30 pm

 

Quoting barba_mama

 

 

That´s what I mean with the battle Just trying to save energy, not driving a car everywhere, but walking, using a bike, and otherwise taking public transport. Screaming at people for leaving the tv on standby, stuff like that.

 

What is strange in Holland is that we had a good solar-panel financial support, but then they stopped giving subsidies :S I don´t get that.... Nothing motivates people like money

 

 

So what is the point of you to believe in climate change? what does is it change in your life for being its supporter?

 

what do you base on your belief in global warming (or CC)? do you believe that we human beings create more CO2 than our Sun or oceans?

we have not only doubled or trippled our industrialization, it has grown more than ten times. since 40´ we have advanced so greatly, it should mean that CO2 has increased at least the same amount meanwhile it didnt do even 10%.

 

Its a political movement that strikes the third world.

 

none of those enviromentalists have stopped using the traditional sources of energy.

can you imagine the amount of tax money flowing into the organizations and instituations consisting of politicians and scientists who enjoy their life compaigning and lobbying at the meetings hold in different countries. imagine the costs of this movement, its billions and billions.

39.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 22 Apr 2010 Thu 02:40 pm

I try to save energy, but if I was rich, would I really make such a big effort... The thing is, the whole idea behind climate change is that what I do in my house right now, will affect others for a long time to come. The deserts are growing. For me personally that´s not a big deal. And if the water of the seas rise, we will just build bigger dikes. But for the people who see their cattle die, because they can´t find any green grass to eat because of the lack of water, for those people climate change is the real killer. I believe in climate change, although it is open for a lot of discussion. I believe in it, and would like to see others believe in it to see if we can keep people alive.

 

It´s not a matter of "how much did we polute compared to this or that". It´s about a natural balance that is being disturbed. I don´t think we should wait untill the proof is enormous, but start taking measures right now. A lot of people didn´t believe in the hole in the ozon layer for a long time, until the proof grew to such an enormous size that it couldn´t be denied anymore. Measures were taken, certain chemicals were banned. And see, the hole became smaller. Humans DO have an effect on the environment in my opinion, and there´s not harm in believing that.

 

What´s the point in not believing in climate change?

40.       lemon
1374 posts
 22 Apr 2010 Thu 03:51 pm

 

Quoting barba_mama

I try to save energy, but if I was rich, would I really make such a big effort... The thing is, the whole idea behind climate change is that what I do in my house right now, will affect others for a long time to come. The deserts are growing. For me personally that´s not a big deal. And if the water of the seas rise, we will just build bigger dikes. But for the people who see their cattle die, because they can´t find any green grass to eat because of the lack of water, for those people climate change is the real killer. I believe in climate change, although it is open for a lot of discussion. I believe in it, and would like to see others believe in it to see if we can keep people alive.

 

It´s not a matter of "how much did we polute compared to this or that". It´s about a natural balance that is being disturbed. I don´t think we should wait untill the proof is enormous, but start taking measures right now. A lot of people didn´t believe in the hole in the ozon layer for a long time, until the proof grew to such an enormous size that it couldn´t be denied anymore. Measures were taken, certain chemicals were banned. And see, the hole became smaller. Humans DO have an effect on the environment in my opinion, and there´s not harm in believing that.

 

What´s the point in not believing in climate change?

 

barba,

you are disappointing me. I will not comment on your post untill you check all the possible resources both re: climate change and ozone depletion.

 

but I will answer your question. My point of not believing in the scare propaganda is that I dont wish to take part in it after seeing the results of my own research.

I do what I do for recycling and saving energy purely out of human duties. I hate waste. you dont waste energy - you dont waste money. everything has its own meaning without any global scare propaganda.

 

 

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