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Gengiz Khan and Turkic people?
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20.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 09 Jul 2010 Fri 04:26 pm

 

Quoting vineyards

Not just the genes Barba, there are linguistc and cultural links that hold people together. Frome a linguistic point of view these languages are related to one another this way or  another: Mongolian,Japanese, Korean, Finnish, Turkic Languages. Finnish syntax is so close to Turkish, the syntax is virtually the same, the same agglunative morphology. For example, in Turkish, you would add the word: "mi" or "mu" to turn it into interrogative; in Finnish you do the same thing with "ko". Nouns have cases like Turkish. Yet there is little similarity racially. Arabs and Jews are so close racially that in most case they are practically the same people but they form the opposite poles culturally and politically.

 

I disagree. Culturally the Jews and Arabs are also very similar. If you look at religious rules, background, customs, they are very much the same although the xenophobes among them like to say otherwise. Divide and conquer, right?

And I also said that from a language point of view, the famous Khan was a Mongol.

21.       armegon
1872 posts
 09 Jul 2010 Fri 07:11 pm

Not so much important if he is genetically Turk or Mongol. But in language point of view he was speaking Turkish to delegates but he also knew Mongolian, some historians say he was introducing himself as a Turk in his speeches to army and many of his warriors were from Turkic nomads. Chinese records say he was from the Sha-To family which is one of the branches of Göktürk family. His bureaucrats are of Uyghur origin, his mother was Kirghiz, his first wife was from Turkic tribe, his son Ogeday only knew Turkish that he was saying his father was always speaking Turkish with him. He used wolf as a symbol whereas Mongolians were using dog, etc...

The Turks who had embraced Islam at that time like Oghuzs hate him because he massacred millions of muslims, so it was better for them that he had known as a Mongol.

Quoting barba_mama

And I also said that from a language point of view, the famous Khan was a Mongol.

 

 

22.       lemon
1374 posts
 09 Jul 2010 Fri 07:37 pm

 

Quoting armegon

Not so much important if he is genetically Turk or Mongol. But in language point of view he was speaking Turkish to delegates but he also knew Mongolian, some historians say he was introducing himself as a Turk in his speeches to army and many of his warriors were from Turkic nomads. Chinese records say he was from the Sha-To family which is one of the branches of Göktürk family. His bureaucrats are of Uyghur origin, his mother was Kirghiz, his first wife was from Turkic tribe, his son Ogeday only knew Turkish that he was saying his father was always speaking Turkish with him. He used wolf as a symbol whereas Mongolians were using dog, etc...

The Turks who had embraced Islam at that time like Oghuzs hate him because he massacred millions of muslims, so it was better for them that he had known as a Mongol.

 

 

 

Now as you said A, now be ready to say B. Back this up! Any source?

The name Borte doesnt sound Turkic at all.

 

 

Everyone, shut up! {#emotions_dlg.rant} He was kazakh!

 

23.       armegon
1872 posts
 09 Jul 2010 Fri 08:04 pm

Sources are from Cengizname and a research book from a Turkish professor named Zeki Velidi Togan. By the way have you ever heard "börteçine" before? It was the name of the blue wolf in Turkish legends, "ergenekon yurdun adı, börteçine kurdun adı" Wink. And yeah he can be Kazakh if you want, he was speaking Kazakh language...  

Quoting lemon

 

 

Now as you said A, now be ready to say B. Back this up! Any source?

The name Borte doesnt sound Turkic at all.

 

 

Everyone, shut up! {#emotions_dlg.rant} He was kazakh!

 

 

 

24.       alameda
3499 posts
 09 Jul 2010 Fri 10:34 pm

Lemon,

Like or not, humans have mated, or tried to mate with a dizzying array of options from time immemorial. Cro-Magnon Neanderthal is really not that implausable. 

In fact, the mating instinct gives birth to a whole array of interesting hybred species....If there were no beastiality, why would it be mentioned in Leviticus 18:23?

Quoting lemon

Alameda,

What you ve written about neandertal (an invention of poor evolutionists) breeding with humans is utterly absurd and shameless.

What dont they tell you? what dont they make up and paint in order to escpae the truth?

Not everything "scientists" say is a fact. Didnt you know they color everything so that people like you start quoting them just because they carry big titles but in fact they are fairy-tales writers.

 

 

 

 

25.       lemon
1374 posts
 09 Jul 2010 Fri 11:34 pm

blue wolf in kazakh is kok kaskir. grey wolf is bori kaskir. {#emotions_dlg.rolleyes}  I wish I had time to continue, but I am in a hurry plus I cant be really bothered. To me things are clear, we all are from Noah´s sons. We all are relatives.

Quoting armegon

Sources are from Cengizname and a research book from a Turkish professor named Zeki Velidi Togan. By the way have you ever heard "börteçine" before? It was the name of the blue wolf in Turkish legends, "ergenekon yurdun adı, börteçine kurdun adı" Wink. And yeah he can be Kazakh if you want, he was speaking Kazakh language...  

 

 

 

 

26.       armegon
1872 posts
 09 Jul 2010 Fri 11:40 pm

börte is still used among Turkish girls as a name which means endless blueness of sky, to me things are clear as well...{#emotions_dlg.razz}

Quoting lemon

blue wolf in kazakh is kok kaskir. grey wolf is bori kaskir. {#emotions_dlg.rolleyes}  I wish I had time to continue, but I am in a hurry plus I cant be really bothered. To me things are clear, we all are from Noah´s sons. We all are relatives.

 

 

 

 

27.       lemon
1374 posts
 09 Jul 2010 Fri 11:40 pm

Alameda,

now you are making me angry. No human can breed with any animal. Please, stop this. It makes me sick. Please stop following evolutionists who try to animalize humans.

I will come back to this. Stop this, alameda, clean yourself from the evolution, dont defile your mind with their lies.

Quoting alameda

Lemon,

Like or not, humans have mated, or tried to mate with a dizzying array of options from time immemorial. Cro-Magnon Neanderthal is really not that implausable. 

In fact, the mating instinct gives birth to a whole array of interesting hybred species....If there were no beastiality, why would it be mentioned in Leviticus 18:23?

 

 

 

 

28.       vineyards
1954 posts
 09 Jul 2010 Fri 11:57 pm

 

Quoting armegon

börte is still used among Turkish girls as a name which means endless blueness of sky, to me things are clear as well...{#emotions_dlg.razz}

 

 

 

Never heard a name like this but the word "kök" which sounds like "kök"=root and "gök" must be common between Kazakh and Turkish. We say, gök mavisi meaning the blue (color) of the sky. Furthermore, count numbers are the same in most Turkic languages. There are just minor differences in pronunciation. When I hear a Kazakh count from 0 to 9, I feel as if he is going to shoot me at the end of the counting. Azeri language is very melodic though it sounds a bit funny to Turkish ears. A while ago I started writing a review on mutual intelligibility between speakers of Turkish and other Turkic languages. I thought no one was paying any attention and discontinued. To sum it up, when I carefully listen to lanuages like Uzbek and Kirghis, I do understand the general context and Azeri is the closest language to Turkish. Kazakh is a bit different but every now and then you hear a common word. I also found Tatar can be understood if listened carefully.



Edited (7/9/2010) by vineyards [PS I am writing on a notebook with a broken keyboard. Sorry for the spelling errors.]
Edited (7/9/2010) by vineyards

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29.       armegon
1872 posts
 10 Jul 2010 Sat 12:08 am

 

Quoting vineyards

Never heard a name like this. 

 

If you can google or in FB, you can find Turkish people with name "börte", but yes it is not a common name. By the way as a clarification börteçine does not mean blue wolf, it is special name given to the blue wolf in the Turkish legends...

 

30.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 10 Jul 2010 Sat 12:10 am

If it became known that Khan had babies for breakfast he would stop being a Turk overnight

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