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190.       oeince
582 posts
 26 Jul 2010 Mon 07:32 pm

Is this your answer to the owner of those word? 

Turkish Government has to treat Kurdish people as they she wants how Turkish society would be treated in Western Thrace. Even the connotation of discrimination is not acceptable. Turkish Government has to acquire Kurdish people’s trust back regardless why and how it spoiled. Even the sympathizers trust. This is our country, these are our people and this is our problem.  

Local Governments reform is a must. Local Governments has to be empowered.  Primary education, basic healthcare and police services must be introduced by local governments. Selective local language courses must be allowed at primary schools according to the needs of the city. Local government’s tax revenues must be increased harmoniously with their new duties according. Central Government must make the re-distribution of tax revenues according to population or the tax revenue that is acquired in the borders of the municipality. In that point a risk occurs. That is, even now, with lower incomes, some municipalities help PKK, how to prevent that that illegal finance transfer? The Government has to establish a very effectual audit mechanism. She has to designate the standards of service introduction and has to make a performance audit which has legal and financial enforcements. The second problem is nepotism and that would again be prevented with audits. There must be clear standards of recruitment and contracts processes. The audits must be made to increase service quality and prevent corruptions. If the central government plays the inspector role rather than service provider role, that increases service quality.

Land reform has to be done. The feudal structure must be put away. All people have to be individuals who are not bounded to feudal leaders. That reform must be done by encouragement to prevent feudal leader’s resistance. Such as barter can be offered to those leaders. Industrial plant real estates can be given to those leaders in response to their agriculture lands. And the lands can be given to villagers without lands who work on that land. The government must provide extensive agriculture consultancy service to those villagers. So with land reform, industrial capacity and agricultural capacity would also be increased while people become free individuals. 

Periodic forgiveness must be provided for the terrorists just for once. That period must be no longer than three months. That period is enough for the publicity of the policy and enough for terrorists to abandon their guns and run away from the organism. Those who abandon their guns must be obliged to work in public services for 5-10 years. Those services must be mostly the ones those are provided for martyr soldiers’ families. New identities can also be given to them.  They have to be monitored by the government. At the end of that 3 months process Turkish army must enter terrorist camps in Northern Iraq, Avaşin Basyan, Hakurk Zap etc an destroy them at all. Turkish army must stay in those camps until absolute security is established. 

Economic clusters must be established in all regions. Industrial promotes must be implemented in the regions according to comparative industrial production superiorities. But that has to be audited well to prevent corruptions. 

And finally exchange programs must be organised to increase the harmony between Kurdish and Turkish people.

That is the difference between you and me. I show my arm to terrorists, you want to show urs to people who spends all their times on the sloution. Ehy are you feeling restless when a person mentions "PKK will end and Kurdish and Turkish people will live in peace" Do you support PKK?

In order to find solution and debate i posted that message;

 

I think we both said enough about that issue. Thats why I will not answer you.

And you please, do not begin threads about PKK for a long time. If someone starts a topic about PKK lets just refer those threads. Because a problem must not been talked again and again and again.

Whatever thought is told by both sides. Now lets stop. PKK is not the only matter about Turkey! I am sure PKK and Kurdish problem is not the only thing that followers of that site wonders. Lets talk something different from now on. And wait and see who is right.

OK? Deal?

 

Is this your answer to that post? Is this your way of solving problems? Is this your style of peace building? If you cannot even get on with me, who will you get on with? Or you don´t want to deal with anybody but just dictate your ideas? My lecturers tought me that this is not the way how the prblems are getting solved. If only you could just attend one of our lectures. May be you would think of stopping to fed up with fight! I will not be a part of your silly game. There are more important games to be played!

Another difference between me and you is, when you think that you lose debates you just appeal personal attacks. Because you are in love with yourselve and I am trying to solve the problem.

You are an easy picking for me, so even if i humiliate you 10 times a day, that does not add anything to the solution of the problem. Thats why, i have answers to all words but i look if the word is word, and than i look at the man if he is a man or not?

I have no answers to you!

 

 



Edited (7/26/2010) by oeince

191.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 26 Jul 2010 Mon 09:01 pm

 

Quoting oeince

Is this your answer to the owner of those word? 

Turkish Government has to treat Kurdish people as they she wants how Turkish society would be treated in Western Thrace. Even the connotation of discrimination is not acceptable. Turkish Government has to acquire Kurdish people’s trust back regardless why and how it spoiled. Even the sympathizers trust. This is our country, these are our people and this is our problem.  

Local Governments reform is a must. Local Governments has to be empowered.  Primary education, basic healthcare and police services must be introduced by local governments. Selective local language courses must be allowed at primary schools according to the needs of the city. Local government’s tax revenues must be increased harmoniously with their new duties according. Central Government must make the re-distribution of tax revenues according to population or the tax revenue that is acquired in the borders of the municipality. In that point a risk occurs. That is, even now, with lower incomes, some municipalities help PKK, how to prevent that that illegal finance transfer? The Government has to establish a very effectual audit mechanism. She has to designate the standards of service introduction and has to make a performance audit which has legal and financial enforcements. The second problem is nepotism and that would again be prevented with audits. There must be clear standards of recruitment and contracts processes. The audits must be made to increase service quality and prevent corruptions. If the central government plays the inspector role rather than service provider role, that increases service quality.

Land reform has to be done. The feudal structure must be put away. All people have to be individuals who are not bounded to feudal leaders. That reform must be done by encouragement to prevent feudal leader’s resistance. Such as barter can be offered to those leaders. Industrial plant real estates can be given to those leaders in response to their agriculture lands. And the lands can be given to villagers without lands who work on that land. The government must provide extensive agriculture consultancy service to those villagers. So with land reform, industrial capacity and agricultural capacity would also be increased while people become free individuals. 

Periodic forgiveness must be provided for the terrorists just for once. That period must be no longer than three months. That period is enough for the publicity of the policy and enough for terrorists to abandon their guns and run away from the organism. Those who abandon their guns must be obliged to work in public services for 5-10 years. Those services must be mostly the ones those are provided for martyr soldiers’ families. New identities can also be given to them.  They have to be monitored by the government. At the end of that 3 months process Turkish army must enter terrorist camps in Northern Iraq, Avaşin Basyan, Hakurk Zap etc an destroy them at all. Turkish army must stay in those camps until absolute security is established. 

Economic clusters must be established in all regions. Industrial promotes must be implemented in the regions according to comparative industrial production superiorities. But that has to be audited well to prevent corruptions. 

And finally exchange programs must be organised to increase the harmony between Kurdish and Turkish people.

That is the difference between you and me. I show my arm to terrorists, you want to show urs to people who spends all their times on the sloution. Ehy are you feeling restless when a person mentions "PKK will end and Kurdish and Turkish people will live in peace" Do you support PKK?

In order to find solution and debate i posted that message;

 

I think we both said enough about that issue. Thats why I will not answer you.

And you please, do not begin threads about PKK for a long time. If someone starts a topic about PKK lets just refer those threads. Because a problem must not been talked again and again and again.

Whatever thought is told by both sides. Now lets stop. PKK is not the only matter about Turkey! I am sure PKK and Kurdish problem is not the only thing that followers of that site wonders. Lets talk something different from now on. And wait and see who is right.

OK? Deal?

 

Is this your answer to that post? Is this your way of solving problems? Is this your style of peace building? If you cannot even get on with me, who will you get on with? Or you don´t want to deal with anybody but just dictate your ideas? My lecturers tought me that this is not the way how the prblems are getting solved. If only you could just attend one of our lectures. May be you would think of stopping to fed up with fight! I will not be a part of your silly game. There are more important games to be played!

Another difference between me and you is, when you think that you lose debates you just appeal personal attacks. Because you are in love with yourselve and I am trying to solve the problem.

You are an easy picking for me, so even if i humiliate you 10 times a day, that does not add anything to the solution of the problem. Thats why, i have answers to all words but i look if the word is word, and than i look at the man if he is a man or not?

I have no answers to you!

 

 

 

You have already lost it on several grounds.

Your teachers seem to have neither enough brain power nor enough intelligence to produce  a solution .. How can they where as they are the problem.. The best thing I recommend your teachers to shut up and stop trying to prevent the peace in this country . They are not ´intelligent enough´ They are not bright enough..

Just go and try to educate yourself ..Try to learn more about this topic.. Not from those bunch of fantasists.. Sorry to say but..If you dont, the result will be always the same for you : An embaressing education!!

Yes..we are different..Thanks god..

Look, stop embaressing yourself here by coming back again and again like a broken record without answering any questions or without thinking carefully how you can proof for what you are saying.. 

Look at yourself!! Look who is trying to go into personal attacks childishly.. Can you not see how embaressing it is??

Phew!!

 



Edited (7/26/2010) by thehandsom
Edited (7/26/2010) by thehandsom

192.       oeince
582 posts
 26 Jul 2010 Mon 09:17 pm

What  a pity...

You don´t even know with whom you talk to.

Anger made you crazy. I stop here. We don´t want you to die because of heart attack riht.

If you talk about my lecturers that much crazily, may be you have a pain about education ha? 

If you wonder them that much why dont you check them out?

http://www.turkishweekly.net/columnist/3362/axis-shift-or-boom-of-self-confidence.html

http://www.turkishweekly.net/columnist/3359/should-turkey-declare-war-on-iraq.html

193.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 26 Jul 2010 Mon 09:21 pm

I think it is now the time to bring the karpuz..

lol lol

http://www.biyolojiegitim.yyu.edu.tr/k/Mey/images/Meyve%20Karpuz_JPG.jpg

194.       oeince
582 posts
 26 Jul 2010 Mon 09:23 pm

 

you really seperated some times to find a water melon picture...

You must do sth more usuful in your free times...



Edited (7/26/2010) by oeince

195.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 26 Jul 2010 Mon 11:34 pm

watermelon is never a waste of time yummm... Why is the watermelon in Holland so watery... I miss watermelon from Turkey

196.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 27 Jul 2010 Tue 11:39 am

 

Quoting si++

 

 

I had said something similar about banning this site 1 or 2 years ago. Pointing out posts of guess-who.

 

It´s all a matter of filing a complain to the court about this site. I PM´d admin about this and he didn´t sound caring about it too much.

 

Anyway. Maybe hansom would like it better because many Turkish members would not be able sign on anymore.

 

You were wrong 1 or 2 years ago, you are wrong NOW and you will be wrong in the future when you try stopping "people expressing their opinions". (Dawkins web site was banned in Turkey a few years ago because of Adnan Oktar´s complain.. No one accused of Dawkins but everybody thought how primitive and backwards Adnan Oktar is) 

I am well aware that the objections are nothing to do with the site or site being banned or  ´ Oh I dont like it either but the law says this and that´ crap.  It is the nationalists feeling which makes ridiculing Dutch army to a Dutch person acceptable but becomes aggressive when someone say a few words about his own army.. (Yet it is the army I served as well. But it does not matter for them)

Turkey has changed a lot recently. People may not be realising that but these type trials were bringing Turkey into disrepute  and were embarrassing forall of us. I dont know if there are any new trials recently but the way people criticise the army in the newspapers  tells me that the law is not practised any more (I guess because of embarrassment  they brought to Turkey)

And also with the new proposed constitution which we will vote at 12th of September is taking the possibility of "taken to military courts" away. I dont think there will be any more of these trials.. 

197.       si++
3785 posts
 27 Jul 2010 Tue 12:08 pm

I am sick of a certain of member here who is here for PKK propaganda (in my opinion).

 

He keeps saying all the time Turks doing bad things to Kurds. But I haven´t anything about what Kurds are doing wrong. Are they angels or what?

198.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 27 Jul 2010 Tue 12:23 pm

If you think "that person" is only writing that PKK is wonderfull and just great, than you are reading his posts with colored glasses. He has kept saying that there are two sides to every story, and that we need to keep talking instead of shooting. I don´t see anything wrong with that message.

I agree that there is a double standard, if you think he can´t express that opinion. I am done responding to another members remarks about my own countries "mistakes" when it comes to PKK, because they are just crazy remarks. I have never however complained about those message to the forum´s board, and even some plain lies that that member has told could never "shut down" this board. The member that you are talking about is just expressing his opinion. If you don´t agree with it, fine. You can have a debate about it, just like I did. And if you think he is a total idiot, that is your right too. If you think you can´t debate with him, stop talking to him (like I did with my own nemesis ) He has never twisted facts, and I can understand that you not always agree with him, but I guess that is the basic problem in Turkey anyway. If everybody agreed all the time on how to deal with PKK, and the Kurdish issue the country would know peace.

199.       si++
3785 posts
 27 Jul 2010 Tue 12:34 pm

If he has ever criticised the Kurds somewhere in any of his post, I kindly request anybody to point me to that post. I will try to read it.

 

I am sick of his "Turks did wrong things to Kurds" theme. Are Kurds doing good things always?

200.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 27 Jul 2010 Tue 02:32 pm

I don´t know, but there are also enough people on here who critizise every other nation and never have anything bad to say about the Turks and Turkey. I don´t see you complainig about those people either. I don´t always agree with ay single person on here, but I have yet to see "PKK propaganda".

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