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110.       oeince
582 posts
 22 Jul 2010 Thu 01:47 pm

Already the word has come into effect upon most of them, so they do not believe.

Indeed, We have put shackles on their necks, and they are to their chins, so they are with heads [kept] aloft

And We have put before them a barrier and behind them a barrier and covered them, so they do not see.

And it is all the same for them whether you warn them or do not warn them - they will not believe.

Ya-Sin 7-10

111.       oeince
582 posts
 22 Jul 2010 Thu 01:53 pm

Indeed, those who disbelieve - it is all the same for them whether you warn them or do not warn them - they will not believe.

Allah has set a seal upon their hearts and upon their hearing, and over their vision is a veil. And for them is a great punishment.

And of the people are some who say, "We believe in Allah and the Last Day," but they are not believers.

They [think to] deceive Allah and those who believe, but they deceive not except themselves and perceive [it] not.

In their hearts is disease, so Allah has increased their disease; and for them is a painful punishment because they [habitually] used to lie.

And when it is said to them, "Do not cause corruption on the earth," they say, "We are but reformers."

Unquestionably, it is they who are the corrupters, but they perceive [it] not.

Baqarah, 6-12

112.       oeince
582 posts
 22 Jul 2010 Thu 02:03 pm

Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors.

Al Ma´idah, 32

113.       vineyards
1954 posts
 22 Jul 2010 Thu 02:06 pm

You demand a simple answer and you stray out of the topic when presented with one. I would like to maintain my focus on your question and I think I have answered it quite well...

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

Look!!

Just go back and  check what happened since the Kurdish opening!!

You dont need to be an extra clever to see what has happened and happening!!!

Nationalists blocked the opening; The guy in Imrali is pulling ropes.. Kurdish people is expecting a peaceful solution and with the nationalist sentiments, we are unable to provide it... PKK is there to stay..BDP is there to stay. You have to include them into the peace process. You coming and insisting that ´I dont talk to PKK-that is fine- I dont talk to Kurdish party BDP; I dont listen to NGOs -Kurdish NGOs said : both parties should stop fighting-´ and then IGNORE ALL and say ´it is Israel this time´.

This is a sheer insult to Kurds in Turkey.

The opening has stopped.. Kurdish party is closed.. People came with the opening put in jails.. People came from Iraq were returned back..

The guy in Imrali giving orders as ´I am out  from the negations end of the month´ and the attacks are starting the following day.. 

Where is Israel in this equations?

All above are OUR SHORTCOMINGS..

NO.. Israel is not in this..

This is our problem. And as long as you dont realise that  will stay as our problem ..

You are free to believe the lies!! I told and asked you ´who lied to you; what sort of lies etc´ of course.. You HAVE ignored them.. You dont have face to admit that ´the people who lied to you about the existence of Kurds, keep telling you Kurdish problem is nothing to do with Turkey. It is all foreigners´ 

Of course you will ignore those.. Because it is embarrassing.. 

Believe as much lies as you want That is your short coming..

I wont..

 

 

 

114.       oeince
582 posts
 22 Jul 2010 Thu 02:07 pm

And thus We have placed within every city the greatest of its criminals to conspire therein. But they conspire not except against themselves, and they perceive [it] not.

Al - An´am, 123

115.       vineyards
1954 posts
 22 Jul 2010 Thu 02:15 pm

Thanks for quoting verses from The Quran. Now the door is swinging open for all other believers to quote verses from their own holy books.

I think verses from the Quran can be used to shape the internal and external affairs of a community. Depending on the size of that community, religious rules can become the guideline to run an entire country. Nevertheless, holy books must not be used to justify political events. We have international rules fulfilling that function. You know people are divided into religious groups each containing billions of believers. If you want to solve the problem in the Middle East according to the rules of Islam, then they will push the rules of the Old Testament, the Christian bystanders meanwhile interprete the happening according to the rules stated in the Bible. Isn´t this already what is happening?

I wouldn´t want a Jew judge by the rules in his Old Testament and I wouldn´t judge him according to the rules of Islam. Their book is for them and ours is for us. This is what the prophet of Islam said. (Although his deeds on record are not very much in line with this statement.)

 

116.       oeince
582 posts
 22 Jul 2010 Thu 02:28 pm

These are just for the one who keeps asking for proofs.

In order he does not believe although everything is very clear. 

 

 

 

117.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 22 Jul 2010 Thu 02:28 pm

 

Quoting oeince

In recent days Europe has been witnessing operations made against the PKK. The chain of anti-PKK operations started in Italy and then spread to France, Germany and Belgium. 

Following these operations against the PKK camps, a French member of the European Parliament made striking statements about the PKK camps in France.

The French Policemen Knew the Presence of the Camp

Concerning the PKK camps in the Larzac region of southern France, Joseph (José Bové said that the French police and security teams were aware of the presence of the camps there. 

The PKK terrorist camp in the Larzac region of France has been active for 15 years. The camp trains many PKK militants and is located in one of the biggest farms of the region. 

José Bové Attended to a PKK Meeting...

By Gamze Coskun (JTW)

For full text please visit

http://www.turkishweekly.net/news/99777/french-mp-jose-bove-declares-his-visit-to-larzac-pkk-camp.html

Is this the same France who once lured the Anatolian Armenians into the shit hole. They certainly build fantastic Memorial Cemeteries for those Armenians, nowadays.

Well, all I can say is that Kurds seem to have very dependable allies...Good luck !

 

118.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 22 Jul 2010 Thu 02:36 pm

 

Quoting lemon

I again apologize to Alpha and others for misunderstanding them.

One thing to add, Alpha and others, you should learn to distinguish between Zionists and simple Jews (including orthodox).

We know the difference very well, we dont call them simple Jews...we call them the Jewish friends..

 



Edited (7/22/2010) by AlphaF

119.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 22 Jul 2010 Thu 02:39 pm

 

Quoting oeince

These are just for the one who keeps asking for proofs.

In order he does not believe although everything is very clear. 

 

 

 

 

I already told you that THERE IS NO PROOF..

Even Vineyards accepts that there is no proof which a normal citizen can see..

There are many clubs/associations etc  around here.. When you go in there, it is like being in a camp.. Posters of Apo, pkk flags etc are everywhere.. They arrange seminars, they even collect money..

But you can not come up and say ´UK is supporting PKK and here are the camps´ 

People will laugh at you!!  lol

120.       oeince
582 posts
 22 Jul 2010 Thu 02:47 pm

what a pity

i really expected that you may see the truths that time...

Anyway, no need to lose more time with a person like you who have too many free times.

Now i must go to work to destroy your leaders

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