I guess you can´t read Alpha... You made a comment that the Dutch government supported PKK, and failed in fighting PKK, just like it had failed with the Bosnians and Serbs. So, I asked you, show me how they failed with the PKK. I showed you HOW the Dutch government battled PKK. So, I asked you, what did the Dutch government did wrong there? But you coulnd´t give me an answer. Instead you keep repeating the only failure you heard of, the failure of Sbrenica.

I will make this question easy for you. What was the Dutch failure in batteling PKK?

I asked this questions before, but your answer was not an answer to my question at all. It´s just a record you have put on "repeat". Now...for once, try to answer the question I have asked you. The question is about PKK and Holland, so the answer is not "Sbrenica".

the Dutch are not expected to battle (they can not. anyway -as they will soon find out, when there are enough PKK members within Holland).

All they have to do now is to monitor the exixtence of those PKK members named on international police red bulletins, catch them and return them to Turkia - as required by the inthernational agreements.

Dont ask for any more stupid proofs.

As i said before those opportunists like thehandsom always distort the facts. DTP achieved its biggest vote shares in 2009 local elections they took %5.7 which is 2.271.000 people. Comparing to 5.000.000 you mention three fifth of all your words are lies. Check it here: http://secim.haberler.com/2009/

After Turkish goverment fulfills the demorcatic reforms, Kurdish people will vote for the service quality. And i am sure DTP or whatever its name now, can not get % 1 even. Because those municipalities don´t provide service to people at all. The streets are full of garbage. What can you expect from a municipality if its mayor recieve orders from the garbage man. We certainly know that Mayors of PKK recieve orders from their workers in order those workers effects are more in KCK, the city organisation of PKK.

We need those reforms in order Turkey will be a very effectual country soon. Although there is no discrimination, the provakers of PKK and foreign secret services made a group of Kurdish people believe in that. So regardless how and why, we will acquire the trust of Kurdish people back. 

As i told before if you can imagine that ethnic problems don´t have foreign effects you must be living in the space or you just do that to distort the facts. 

Coming to PKK militants. You will see how they comes pattering

Turkey´s destiny is changing. We will solve all problems and PKK will recieve that! You see my arm!

Well sometimes, it looks like the truth has to be ´inserted into your brains´!!

We are talking about 1/3 of Kurdish voters here.. Kurds are 15 to 20 million!!  The number of voters plus their familes etc 1/3 of kurds are supporting DTP!! That 1/3 is minimum 5 million!!! So basically as far as the lies are concerned, I am not you!!

The lesson of the last election was ´Kurds said identity´.. Read my posts about it.. (That is the conclusion from many political commentater including Mehmet Ali Birand..)

So as far as the local goverments are concerned, they will vote for BDP again.. Their identity is more important to them then their garbage collection I assume..

So keep dreaming about we make the reforms and bdp will go away..NO.. Kurds know that if there was not BDP , we Turks would not give any rights to them...

Now you are saying ´there is no discrimination.. But in your earlier post you said there is..

you said :

Turkish Government has to treat Kurdish people as they she wants how Turkish society would be treated in Western Thrace. Even the connotation of discrimination is not acceptable. Turkish Government has to acquire Kurdish people’s trust back regardless why and how it spoiled. Even the sympathizers trust.

If we were treating Kurds as equal.. why would you say that?

Are you saying that we dont have any discrimination but it was all a HUGE MISUNDERSTANDING BY THE KURDS..

And also you said, This is our country, these are our people and this is our problem.

You should have added "unseen top top top secret foreign agencies which even I can not see but I believe they are there"   

Turkey has to sort her Kurdish problem if she wants to be in the top position in the middle east and in its region....A Turkey who is unable to solve this problem can not be as effective as she can be.

We almost lost 70.000 people since the beginning of this war for 30 years because people insisting showing the arms which got broken and then slapped on the face like little prats.

We dont want to lose another 30 years.. If we revert to military solution which, in effect,  what we have been doing all those years and failing, again we will lose all the Kurds and part of our country. So we dont want that arm or war anymore..

We want peace.. 

I think we both said enough about that issue. Thats why I will not answer you.

And you please, do not begin threads about PKK for a long time. If someone starts a topic about PKK lets just refer those threads. Because a problem must not been talked again and again and again.

Whatever thought is told by both sides. Now lets stop. PKK is not the only matter about Turkey! I am sure PKK and Kurdish problem is not the only thing that followers of that site wonders. Lets talk something different from now on. And wait and see who is right.

OK? Deal?

There was an 85 years old Jewish ex-concentration camp inmate among the relief workers. He was harrassed too.

He obviously differed in his opinions about the whole affair.

I dont know what you mean by that..

I dont think it is important to me what you think it should be talked here or not.. I decide what to post or what not to post as long as I am within the rules and I think it is an important subject for Turkey.. So none of your business..

But one thing for sure, I will not stop answering any racist or belittleing comments about my country and telling the truth or what it should be in my opinion.. That was the case for me that will always be the case for me.. 

I say If you want peace than stop justifiying terrorism.

I say I study on socio-economic development of ethnic groups, at university. If you care about that issue as much as me come to Turkey and work on the solution of the problem. Don´t just tell lies from there. May be you contrubute peace. 

And I say, we talked enough. Lets do not repeat ourselves and lose time. 

BTW I also say stop fabricating. Read before you talk. Because i am worried tomorrow you may say there are 50 million Kurds http://www.ethnologue.com/show_country.asp?name=TRA

Allah allah..who is trying to justify terrorism?

We are trying to talk about our Kurdish problem which you started "denying" as ´we dont have Kurdish problem but all is terrorism; foreign involvements but you can  not see that and I dont have a proof either; they are top secret; blah blah´ Then later on switched to ´we have actually Kurdish problem; because of that we will make the country more democratic for them; we will make sure they are treated as the people in the west etc´ then said ´we will show the arm´ ..That is the real problem here and in Turkey.. Because of the people like you who wanted to show arms and called everything a terrorism only ´we still have this problem in these days´

As far as your education and what you are showing here as the knowledge, I dont know.. May be the level of ´knowledge (or lack of knowledge)´ can be a criteria for calling a person as educated in Turkish standarts.. It is really sad.. You are showing every necessary indication that you are the product of the education system which we all have to cry for.. Give my best regards to your teachers!!

Look at this..You are even not close about the numbers about Kurds..

You always say they do terrorism but they have reasons right? Thats absolutely how you justify terrorism. If a person supports peace s/he must stop with blaming all kind of terrorists. The approach of "my terrorists is good, they have reasons for that" just deepens the problem. You must quit that as soon as possible.

I certainly know what i said in all my posts. Because i didn´t build up those ideas nowadays. But i will repeat again in order you do not understand or you distort facts. The main problem of Turkey is terrorism. Terrorists do not represent Kurdish people. They work for the sake of foreign secret services. 

There is a Kurdish problem also which is absolutely different than terrorism. I mentioned how that problem can be solved in my previous posts and i guess we agreed in many points.

And yes we will show the arm to terrorists if they do not surrounder. That is a strategy called carret and stick. That strategies effectiveness is tested in the solution of different ethnic problems. But i wont go into academic details of it for you to understand it You don´t even understand single words, i will not confuse you with academic discussions.

About the number of Kurds, why don´t you tell that to 1000 people who made that study i referred. They are not Turkish at all. But shitting peoples expertises is your style if you don´t like the results of them right? Thats why i tell you don´t look for truth but try to dictate your ideas. 

Production of education system mean? What a huge sentence. Wow. Stop talking nonsenses dude. That education system raised Muzaffer Sherifs, Şerif Mardins, Vamık Volkans etc.

Handsome, have you ever fight with your gf, wife or friend etc? To end the fight and let both sides to think calmer you have to stop talking about the problems. If you keep talking about problems always, you just blame each other, many times by overreacting. That is why i hold out the olive branch to you, to think calmer. But i think i am right to think that you are fed by fights. Thats why you don´t want to stop. Generally ladies act like that. They always keep asking but why? But why? But you did that! etc. We man must calm them down those times to go on our relationship right?

So i just ask you to act just like a handsome guy acts.