Welcome
Login:   Pass:     Register - Forgot Password - Resend Activation

Turkish Class Forums / Language

Language

Add reply to this discussion
On Negation
(25 Messages in 3 pages - View all)
1 2 [3]
20.       Abla
1595 posts
 14 Mar 2012 Wed 10:54 am

The derivative suffix –siz denotes negation. It is a productive suffix which means that you can add it to just about any noun (or pronoun) and you will be understood and its use is not limited to certain contexts or words.

 

-siz makes

 

1. adjectives: parasız ‘penniless, free of charge’, eşsiz ‘unequalled’, sınırsız ‘unlimited’

2. adverbs: arabasız ‘without a car’, parasız ‘free of charge’, sensiz ‘without you’

3. nouns: telsiz ‘a wireless device’, Hamursuz ‘passover, the Jewish Easter’

 

Why are police officers called aynasız in slang?

21.       scalpel
1467 posts
 14 Mar 2012 Wed 11:18 am

 

Quoting Abla

Nejat gençliğinde bu kadar inançlı değildi. ‘Nejat wasn’t this stubborn when he was young.’

 

 

inançlı = believer of islam

inatçı = stubborn

22.       scalpel
1467 posts
 14 Mar 2012 Wed 02:02 pm

 

Quoting Abla

Why are police officers called aynasız in slang?

 

There are many stories about why they are called aynasız but they are far from the truth..  

I think* they are aynasız because they are asık suratlı, asabi..   

ayna- mirror/ (surface) parlak, pürüzsüz.. 

aynalı - mirrored/ (thing) parlak yüzeyli, güzel; (person) güzel/gülümseyen yüzlü, 

aynasız - (thing) soluk, donuk; (person) asık suratlı, asabi

*nobody has to agree with me on this

 

23.       scalpel
1467 posts
 14 Mar 2012 Wed 02:14 pm

 

Quoting Abla

 

 

What about these options? Would they be correct?

?[Kimsenin bu kitabı oku|ma|dığı]-nı sanıyorum.

?[Kimsenin bu kitabı oku|ma|dığı]-nı san|mı|yorum.

(I understand the meaning changes if we change the negation pattern, I am merely asking if the ? sentences are grammatical or not, i.e. if I have understood the rule.)

 

If my memory doesn´t trick me.. I explained it to you some months ago..

Kimsenin bu kitabı okumadığını (-) sanıyorum (+) => (-) kimse okumamış olmalı

Kimsenin bu kitabı okumadığını (-) sanmıyorum (-) => (+) herkes okumuş olmalı

 

24.       Abla
1595 posts
 14 Mar 2012 Wed 02:38 pm

Well, thank you for your patience, scalpel.

Your explanation of aynasız ´cop´ was in line with grammar. -siz is often the opposite of -li. But when I asked I was expecting something more...colorful.



Edited (Mar 14) by Abla [Mixed some more things.]

25.       Abla
1595 posts
 15 Mar 2012 Thu 05:14 pm

When the meaning ‘without’ is added to a verb there are two options:

 

1. –mek|siz|in

 

The derivation suffixes –li and –siz often make oppositions. When added to verbal nouns, though, the old intstrumental case ending –n is added to –siz.

 

İnsan ağlamaklı oluyor vallahi. ‘One feels like crying.’

 

Hiçbir akşam ağlamaksızın yatağımda yatamam. ‘I can’t go to sleep any evening and not cry.’

 

2. –meden

 

I always thought this is a combination of infinitive marking and dative ending but historically it is not. Lewis says the oldest occurances of this form are the type –meti where the first syllable was probably the negative –me-! With the adding of the instrumental case it became -metin and the end of it was confused with ablative. (It has been mentioned here also http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_51754.)

 

Ne olur ağlamadan ayrılalım. ‘Please, let’s part without crying.’

 

 

---------------------------------------------

 

Maybe the misunderstanding of the above structure has made me combine ablative case with negation. Oh, but now I remembered another example:

 

Allah kimseyi hardaldan etmesin. ‘Allah, don’t leave anyone without mustard.’ (Orhan Veli Kanık)



Edited (Mar 15) by Abla
Edited (Mar 15) by Abla
Edited (Mar 15) by Abla

(25 Messages in 3 pages - View all)
1 2 [3]
Add reply to this discussion




Turkish Dictionary
Turkish Chat
Open mini chat
New in Forums
Test-3
tunci: Very Good Sufler ! ... iyi ]
Test-5
tunci: Excellent Sufler ! Bravo.
E to T
Inscrutable : Eve gitmeye ... I ... wait to go home. Thank you so much!
t to e
deli: yes good for you .well done
Breakfast bowl/soup dish
Julesrules: Which is the right word to use for a breakfast bowl or soup dish pleas...
Why do I love Turkey so much..
si++: ... one bittery thread for your complains: ...
Volley news
si++: ... out ... in 24 teams to highlight next ... Champions League ...
T to E
tunci: hemen ... ... ... bir fiskos ... ... son ... ... bir koltuk. ...
A Few Sentences, Vol. II
tunci: Good analysis Abla. As an adverb usega of "diye" is ... 1. ...
Can you understand this sentence?
si++: ... an extended version: ... If you can follow it, giv...
Miss JULIE PARDOE (1839)
Abla: Charming. Thanks for adding this, AlphaF.
e to t correctioon
tristerecuerdos: thanks.
Random Pictures of Turkey
Add thumbnails like this to your site
Most commented
Profile of BooBoo
Profile of DisiBayanAsk
Profile of CHiZZY
Book Book

Picture by Trudy
Noun states

Turkish lesson by admin
Level: beginner
Profile of Prashantsharma
Istanbul Istanbul

Picture by dannii
Quran Quran

Picture by cilek
Alphabet

Turkish lesson by admin
Level: beginner
Pronouns 2

Turkish lesson by admin
Level: beginner