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New generation of Turks/ Taksim Park
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90.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 09 Jun 2013 Sun 11:31 pm

More about this if anybody wants to know what this is all about and how it is all started :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59XPBtofVGA

http://subjektif.org/protests-in-turkey-the-timeline-and-what-people-on-the-street-want/

http://www.direngeziparki.com/

http://showdiscontent.com/

http://www.narphotos.net/Story/Thumbnail/occupy-gezi-park/109/

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91.       Kelowna
375 posts
 10 Jun 2013 Mon 02:47 am

Thanks for sharing the truth

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92.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 10 Jun 2013 Mon 10:51 am

 

Quoting Kelowna

Thanks for sharing the truth

 

My pleasure.

Apart from that it is nice to know some people are intrested in what is going on in Turkey and trying to learn more about this extraordinary cultural and politicl breaking point in Turkish history. You are not one of those who posts garbage like ´hiaiaiaia I am going to Turkey/ hiiaaiiiii really, are you?/ohhhhiaiai yes I am´ {#emotions_dlg.lol}

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93.       Kelowna
375 posts
 10 Jun 2013 Mon 06:22 pm

It is clearly a significant breaking point. In the videos you could see young, old, woman with head scarves, men in suits and men in jeans all very upset with the way they are being treated by the Turkish goverment. I hope they can boot Erodgan out and work towards the changes they need.

The compliation of issues they are concerned about very important and needed. The only one I disagreed with is they wanted less tax on alcohol and tobacco. Instead they should request those particular taxes go toward health issue caused by smoking or excessive drinking.

I am posting the collective list of concerns here: I think it is important.

 

  • Taksim Project must be cancelled.
  • The Nature and Biodiversity Conservation Draft Law must be withdrawn from the National Assembly’s agenda.
  • The right to congregate and demonstrate must be secured under the constitution.
  • Democracy must not be practiced only at election times: A democratic process based on community participation must be adopted.
  • City councils must take an active role in decisions related to the city and the citizens’ opinions must be taken into account.
  • Electoral threshold must be lowered (which is 10% in Turkey).
  • Safety of elections must be ensured; an e-voting system must be implemented.
  • Internet filters must be removed and Internet access should not be restricted.
  • Bans affecting people’s lifestyles, including the ban on alcohol and the ban on headscarves in state-owned buildings must be lifted.
  • Freedom of information must be raised to international standards.
  • Media censorship must be considered illegal.
  • Compulsory military service must be repealed.
  • Military courts must be abolished.
  • The US military bases in Turkey must be closed.
  • Students in custody must be released.
  • All discrimination based on nationality, ethnic origin, skin color, gender, sexual orientation and sexual identity must be prohibited.
  • The destruction of nature across the country must be stopped.
  • Environmental and animal rights must be protected by the law.
  • Local referendums must be held in the regions in question for building nuclear plants, thermal plants or dams.
  • Environmental Impact Assessment reports for future dam projects must be prepared by independent scientific institutions, not by companies certified by the Ministry of Environment and Urbanization.
  • Gezi Park, Taşkışla, İnönü Stadium, Dolmabahçe Palace and Maçka Park must be preserved as public spaces.
  • Science, universities and the arts must be liberated.
  • Anatolia’s cultural heritage must be protected.
  • Religion section must be removed from government issued identification cards.
  • Natural history museums, botanical gardens, art galleries must be prioritized over shopping malls.
  • Taksim is a symbol: Taksim must be open to all peaceful congregations and demonstrations.
  • The Law of Police Powers, the Civil Code, the Criminal Code, and the Code of Criminal Procedure must be democratized.
  • Freedom of expression must be ensured at international standards.
  • Atatürk Cultural Center (AKM) must not be demolished.
  • Turkey must come to terms with the Armenian Genocide.
  • The government must investigate the assassination of Hrant Dink, massacre in Roboski and the Reyhanlı incident.
  • The State Theaters and the State Opera and Ballet must not be shut down.
  • The State must be impartial to all religions and sects.
  • Individual and group lifestyles and lifestyle choices must be respected and protected by laws.
  • Turkey must stop threatening Syria. Syrian refugees must be moved to safe locations far from the border.
  • Police violence must stop.
  • Civil organizations must be liberated, and unionization must be facilitated.
  • Income inequality must be remedied.
  • The wage ceiling must not be more than 10 times the minimum wage.
  • The Prime Ministers’ discretionary funds must be regulated.
  • Political transparency must be ensured. All political immunities must be repealed.
  • Instead of making a new constitution, the 1961 constitution must be modernized.
  • The rule of law must be unconditionally upheld, unlawful detention of people must be stopped.
  • Mineral reserves must be nationalized.
  • The Turkish Petroleum Corporation must be the only institution authorized for exploring and drilling oil.
  • The Prime Minister’s office must be chaired in rotation.
  • Basic sciences must be supported.
  • Soldiers and journalists under arrest must be given a fair trial. Extrajudicial imprisonment for months and years must be stopped.
  • The abortion law must be withdrawn.
  • Once the new airport is opened, the existing airport at Yeşilköy, İstanbul should be transformed into a public park.
  • Education at all levels must promote scientific and up-to-date content.
  • Indicative labels must be mandatory on GMOs.
  • Demonstrators taken into custody since May 27th must be released immediately with no legal ramifications.
  • All barriers to active political participation must be removed.
  • All bans on the congregations, rallies, parades and demonstrations must be lifted; the right to congregate and demonstrate must be fairly implemented.
  • The people must be actively included in the control mechanism of civil society organizations.
  • The Prime Minister’s office in the Beşiktaş must be relocated, and the pier must be opened to public.
  • Journalists imprisoned for expressing their thoughts and contributing to people’s freedom of information must be released.
  • Active participation of professional associations must be ensured in the processes involving the legal arrangements in their respective fields.
  • Unsolved murders must be resolved, assailants must be prosecuted.
  • The sexist education system must be reformed.
  • Concrete steps must be taken towards securing children’s rights to education, healthcare and justice.
  • Exploitation of labor must be stopped: permanent measures must be taken to protect workers’ rights and freedoms such as occupational health and safety, and flexible working hours.
  • Domestic and small-size capital must be supported, monopoly must be prevented.
  • Astronomic taxes on gasoline, alcohol and tobacco must be reduced.
  • Access to safe and effective birth control methods must not require prescription; basic protection methods should be available to all at regional healthcare centers.

 

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94.       benx
12 posts
 10 Jun 2013 Mon 06:42 pm

Just a few chapulcu... in Turkey everything is OK. Never mind provokers



Edited (6/10/2013) by benx

95.       Kelowna
375 posts
 10 Jun 2013 Mon 06:49 pm

Turkish pianist Fazil Say was sentenced to 10 months of prison  due to " insulting the beliefs of some portion of society " on twitter.

This is not about what he said but why there is a consequence. This has happen to so many people in Turkey. They are not allowed to publicly express their opinion.

Where is the liberal democracy in terms of freedom.

 

 I remember talking to a Turkish person who said that in their culture everyone is very nosey about their neighbors and because of this you fear to be different or act differently than what is allowed. How sad to be afraid for fear of being either convicted by your neighbors or they hands of the law.

96.       benx
12 posts
 10 Jun 2013 Mon 07:32 pm

Ohh poor Kelowna..I am sorry but you dont know anything other than heard from others. These are others facts not yours. I hope you can come here one day to taste truth. Look at forum.. same provokers writing same things. Do you think they are Turkish or in Turkey now? Your brain is not a accesory pls use it more..

97.       burakk
309 posts
 10 Jun 2013 Mon 07:37 pm

 

Quoting benx

Ohh poor Kelowna..I am sorry but you dont know anything other than heard from others. These are others facts not yours. I hope you can come here one day to taste truth. Look at forum.. same provokers writing same things. Do you think they are Turkish or in Turkey now? Your brain is not a accesory pls use it more..

 

at least he has one. you dont have such a luxury at all

www.twitter.com

 

98.       burakk
309 posts
 10 Jun 2013 Mon 07:46 pm

 

Quoting Kelowna

Turkish pianist Fazil Say was sentenced to 10 months of prison  due to " insulting the beliefs of some portion of society " on twitter.

This is not about what he said but why there is a consequence. This has happen to so many people in Turkey. They are not allowed to publicly express their opinion.

Where is the liberal democracy in terms of freedom.

 

 I remember talking to a Turkish person who said that in their culture everyone is very nosey about their neighbors and because of this you fear to be different or act differently than what is allowed. How sad to be afraid for fear of being either convicted by your neighbors or they hands of the law.

 

 well liberal democracy hardly represents freedom. freedom for only the selected ones.

 

in big cities in turkey people have lost the "good neighbor" relationship culture. now many people dont even know who their neighbors are. though in small places people can be nosey but definitely not as nosey as europeans or other suburb dwellers.

99.       ninja
157 posts
 11 Jun 2013 Tue 11:59 am

Just saw in the news about the police started to enter Taksim Square with some violence. Heard that Erdogan had scheduled a talk with the protestors, right? So what now, no intention for discussion? Pray for those who suffer.

100.       Abla
3648 posts
 11 Jun 2013 Tue 12:27 pm

From the demonstrators´ point of view it certainly looks like the whole nation has united but I doubt that. It seems to me more like Turkey has divided or is in the process of dividing into two and that is really really worrying.

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