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New generation of Turks/ Taksim Park
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100.       Abla
3648 posts
 11 Jun 2013 Tue 12:27 pm

From the demonstrators´ point of view it certainly looks like the whole nation has united but I doubt that. It seems to me more like Turkey has divided or is in the process of dividing into two and that is really really worrying.

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101.       Abla
3648 posts
 11 Jun 2013 Tue 03:13 pm

Two questions:

 

1. What is the interest of CHP and the extreme right in these events?

 

2. If Erdoğan falls what is going to happen to the peace process with Kurds?

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102.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 11 Jun 2013 Tue 03:52 pm

Turkish police storm Taksim

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-22851765

PM says : Please Finish it.

 

minute by minute storm    http://www.radikal.com.tr/turkiye/gezi_parki_sabaha_poster_baskiniyla_basladi-1137124

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The protesters did not start with PM´s permission and I dont think they will finish with PM´s wish.

PM has to grip this fact.

103.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 11 Jun 2013 Tue 06:39 pm

PM: No one will get away with it..

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/no-one-will-get-away-with-it-turkish-pm-issues-protest-threat-as-riot-police-storm-taksim-square-8653065.html

 

Turkey PM Erdogan warns protesters ´it´s over´

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/turkey/10113293/Turkey-PM-Erdogan-warns-protesters-its-over.html

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 No one will get away with it..? I think that includes the PM. 

I think he already lost his presidency (with a presidential system).  

104.       Kelowna
375 posts
 11 Jun 2013 Tue 06:40 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

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The protesters did not start with PM´s permission and I dont think they will finish with PM´s wish.

PM has to grip this fact.

 

what do you predict will happen

105.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 11 Jun 2013 Tue 06:49 pm

 

Quoting Kelowna

 

 

what do you predict will happen

 

I am not entirely sure but PM is creating a chaos.. He can not continue the way he is behaving.. With every speach he makes, he throws some logs into the fire. I think, these last 15 days will be talked and analysed a lot. I will come back to this later on. 

Some Turkish and some English comments:

https://www.facebook.com/geziparkidirenisi

 

 

 

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106.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 12 Jun 2013 Wed 02:54 am

Message from Taksim Solidarity:

 

Police violence which stared on the 14th day in Taksim Gezi park, still continuing as of  midnight

Since their incompetently staged and miserably failed provocation game, early in the morning, after the continuation of gas and bomb attack by the police , there were 100s of casualties and among them, many head traumas. All the animals and birds are dying around Taksim because of the intense gas,

Our people, our children who are in Taksim square and Gezi park, continue their resistance, risk their lives, in order to protect their dignity.

We invite the entire world to show their reactions and our people to show their solidarity to stop the police brutality which is carried out by the direct orders of the government .

Taksim Solidarity.

 

In Turkish:

Taksim Gezi Parkı’na 14. günü sabahında başlayan polis şiddeti, gece yarısı itibariyle devam ediyor. 

Sabah saatlerinde polisin acemice senaryolaştırdığı provokasyon oyununun tutmaması üzerine sürdürdüğü gaz bombalı saldırı sonrasında yüzlerce yaralanma, bu yaralılar arasında çok sayıda beyin travması geçiren insanda bulunmaktadır. Yoğun gaz nedeniyle Taksim Meydanı çevresinde tüm hayvanlar ve kuşlar ölmektedir. 

Taksim Meydanında ve Gezi Parkı’nda bulunan insanlarımız, çocuklarımız tüm saldırılara onurlarını korumak için ölümü göze alarak direnmeye devam etmektedir. 

Hükümetin bizzat emriyle yürütülen polis şiddetinin durdurulması için tüm Dünyayı tepki göstermeye, halkımızı desteğe davet ediyoruz. 
Taksim Dayanışması

source:
http://www.radikal.com.tr/turkiye/taksim_dayanismasi_tum_dunyaya_sesleniyoruz-1137234



Edited (6/12/2013) by thehandsom

107.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 12 Jun 2013 Wed 11:03 pm

Turkey protests: Ruling AK party may hold vote on park..

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22882460

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/riot-police-overwhelm-protesters-occupying-istanbuls-taksim-square-and-gezi-park/2013/06/11/30efe674-d2f5-11e2-b3a2-3bf5eb37b9d0_story.html

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We still dont know the details.. But the PM held talks with the representetive of the protesters- though some protesters said they dont know those who spoke to the PM- for 5 hours..

Hopefully this may resolve peacefully..

But it seems like it is a serious blow to the pm as his credibility in EU faded away.. (

http://news.yahoo.com/eu-worried-violence-turkey-calls-inquiries-183101191.html

http://www.worldbulletin.net/?aType=haber&ArticleID=110432

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**ps..did you know that the amount of tear gas used in last 6 days in Istanbul by Turkish government is twice than the tear gas used in 2012 by all 12 EU countries?

108.       ikicihan
1127 posts
 13 Jun 2013 Thu 04:48 am

 

Quoting Abla

Two questions:

 

1. What is the interest of CHP and the extreme right in these events?

 

2. If Erdoğan falls what is going to happen to the peace process with Kurds?

 

my personal answers:

1. chp joins almost every possible action againts the ruling party, akp. in return they hope more votes. in this event, chp was there in the beginning, but the protestors, %70 are apolitic, they dont want to see any party there and they are not part of any party. they just told chp members to leave them alone, so they did.

2.  nothing will happen to peace project with kurds carrying guns. they quit by themselves by the recommendation of their leader in prison. it will go on by itself whatever happens. majority of community supports this process, it is not only depends on the ruling party itself, they are just part of it.



Edited (6/13/2013) by ikicihan

109.       trip
297 posts
 13 Jun 2013 Thu 10:14 pm

An item from the Washington Post about a protest Wednesday in Moscow that was partly sparked by events in Istanbul. I´ve highlighted a few interesting spots:

MOSCOW — Chastened by the protests in Istanbul,Muscovites rallied Wednesday in a show of support for the 12 opposition defendants on trial for their actions a year ago in a clash with Russian police.

     Estimates of the crowd’s size varied but suggest that as many as 15,000 people may have taken part in the low-key march. The turnout was far less than the tens of thousands present at protests a year ago, but those who participated Wednesday said they wanted to remind the public, and one another, that the opposition hadn’t disappeared.
     Walking a dachshund named Snark, Maria Sakson said the marchers showed up on the Russia Day holiday so that President Vladimir Putin would know the protest movement still exists. “We haven’t come to terms,” she said.
     She can only look wistfully at Istanbul, a city she has visited twice, and which has seen huge protests this month in Taksim Square. “There are so many more brave people there than here,” she said. “We’re spoiled in many ways. And as a nation, we are used to being patient.”
     Among those of her friends who aren’t so patient, she said, many are making plans to leave Russia — something that Sakson, a 36-year-old architect, doesn’t want to do. The alternative is to protest, she said.
    Nikolai Maroko, 34, who works for a translation service, said he came out Wednesday for one reason: “To feel that I am not alone.”
     He echoed Sakson in comparing Russia with Turkey, where protests have occurred in dozens of cities. “Turkey makes us feel rather envious,” he said. “It is sad for me. We are in for a rather cold period. But there can be no end of this, only a pause.”



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110.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 13 Jun 2013 Thu 10:55 pm

Istanbul governor calls moms to ´call their children home´. Moms come to Gezi Parkı instead.

 

EU parliament urges Turkey to avoid violence

http://www.worldbulletin.net/?aType=haber&ArticleID=111046

 

and our PM, slams European Parliament´s motion on Gezi Park protests

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/world/2013-06/13/c_132453069.htm

 

 

http://avrupabirligihaberleri.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/european-parliament-democracy-in-turkey-resolution-13-june-2013.pdf (European Parliament´s resolution)

 



Edited (6/13/2013) by thehandsom [resolution was added]

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