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16 Dec 2006 Sat 05:09 pm |
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Quoting CANLI: Quoting aenigma x: Please correct me if I am wrong, but where in Islam does it say it is COMPULSORY to wear a headscalf? I understood it to be a (sexist) cultural decision. |
Ofcourse,in Qur'an.
Ohhh,come onnn,do you really believe all those women all over the world put a headscarf cause of men,or culture decisions ?
İts an order from ALLAH ,written in Qur'an,thats why.
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You are the first muslim to tell me this, Canli. Everyone else has told me it is NOT written in the Qur'an. Are you telling me that all the many muslim women who DO NOT wear a headscalf are going against Islam? Perhaps this subject is somewhat vague...
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16 Dec 2006 Sat 05:11 pm |
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Quoting CANLI: Quoting aenigma x: Please correct me if I am wrong, but where in Islam does it say it is COMPULSORY to wear a headscalf? I understood it to be a (sexist) cultural decision. |
Ofcourse,in Qur'an.
Ohhh,come onnn,do you really believe all those women all over the world put a headscarf cause of men,or culture decisions ?
İts an order from ALLAH ,written in Qur'an,thats why.
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I think many women will wear their scarf because of their believe. But I think also there are who are forced! A 13 year old student of mine - years ago - got her period for the first time and her father told her she was a woman now so she HAD to wear one. She didn't like it but had to obey her father. The 10 year old daughter of a student of mine now wears one since she was nine, you really think a child of nine makes such decisions herself? I asked her father, he said she was capable of marriage now....
Again, no problems with a scarf if it's own choice, but in these cases I have my doubts.
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16 Dec 2006 Sat 05:12 pm |
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Quoting aenigma x: Quoting CANLI: Quoting aenigma x: Please correct me if I am wrong, but where in Islam does it say it is COMPULSORY to wear a headscalf? I understood it to be a (sexist) cultural decision. |
Ofcourse,in Qur'an.
Ohhh,come onnn,do you really believe all those women all over the world put a headscarf cause of men,or culture decisions ?
İts an order from ALLAH ,written in Qur'an,thats why.
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You are the first muslim to tell me this, Canli. Everyone else has told me it is NOT written in the Qur'an. Are you telling me that all the many muslim women who DO NOT wear a headscalf are going against Islam? Perhaps this subject is somewhat vague... |
i'm one of those women aneigma...and as i said its not in my english quran..
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16 Dec 2006 Sat 05:13 pm |
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Quoting CANLI: Quoting aenigma x: Please correct me if I am wrong, but where in Islam does it say it is COMPULSORY to wear a headscalf? I understood it to be a (sexist) cultural decision. |
Ofcourse,in Qur'an.
Ohhh,come onnn,do you really believe all those women all over the world put a headscarf cause of men,or culture decisions ?
İts an order from ALLAH ,written in Qur'an,thats why.
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Can you give me the Sura where is written a scarf is needed, Canli? I know somewhere in Qur'an is 'don't show your jewellery' or something. But exact the words of a scarf? I have a (Dutch) Qur'an here and I really like to read it.
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16 Dec 2006 Sat 05:14 pm |
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I see! So nobody REALLY knows then... but lets carry on talking about religion eh? It's always soooo bonding and such a great exercise in tolerance.... 
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16 Dec 2006 Sat 05:14 pm |
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24:31 "And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty [...]"
It says should, as is ought to. Yani it's not mandatory.
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16 Dec 2006 Sat 05:17 pm |
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Quoting azade: 24:31 "And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty [...]"
It says should, as is ought to. Yani it's not mandatory. |
it depends on a persons definition of their 'ornaments'...some people might think ears are attractive it has to stop somewhere..
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16 Dec 2006 Sat 05:19 pm |
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Quoting robyn  : Quoting azade: 24:31 "And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty [...]"
It says should, as is ought to. Yani it's not mandatory. |
it depends on a persons definition of their 'ornaments'...some people might think ears are attractive it has to stop somewhere.. |
Yes it's actually quite vague, which I suppose is why people have such different opinions about it. Still, I wouldn't say that 'should' is the same is 'absolutely need to'.
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16 Dec 2006 Sat 05:20 pm |
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Quoting azade: Quoting robyn : Quoting azade: 24:31 "And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty [...]"
It says should, as is ought to. Yani it's not mandatory. |
it depends on a persons definition of their 'ornaments'...some people might think ears are attractive it has to stop somewhere.. |
Yes it's actually quite vague, which I suppose is why people have such different opinions about it. Still, I wouldn't say that 'should' is the same is 'absolutely need to'. |
you are right..thats because should and must are completely different..newayz we have all gone totally off topic 
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16 Dec 2006 Sat 05:21 pm |
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Ohhh no,it is in Qur'an ofcourse,not a culture thing,and ofcourse Muslims know about that,because they read it too.
And the number of women who are wearing it,all over the world not only in one country prove my words.
Ok Trudy,i am getting the exact Sura .
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16 Dec 2006 Sat 05:21 pm |
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And BTW, please do not generalize all Europeans. If a European says anything about 1 Turk, you get mad and say don't generalize! |
dont generalize all turks when u think about human right,religion,modernisations,etcccc...EU and european always generalize the things about Tr.
OMG!!!! what have happenede to my forum topic....you all have started to discuss islam..
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