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16 Dec 2006 Sat 08:31 am |
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There's a special cemetary in istanbul for President's and Prime Minister's that try to lead Turkey away from secularism. I think Büyükanit will easily be able to keep the ploiticians in line.
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16 Dec 2006 Sat 12:48 pm |
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16 Dec 2006 Sat 12:55 pm |
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Quoting susie k: I know that we English are very proud of our history ie the Royal Navy! Maybe not of a lot of other things though. |
Are we? I can't think of much that I am proud of from our military history - except maybe WW2. Anyway....I also dont know any Turks who support joining the EU....
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16 Dec 2006 Sat 01:00 pm |
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16 Dec 2006 Sat 03:16 pm |
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Quoting catwoman:
That's a very good point, absolutely. Government by any means shouldn't be directed by any religious dogmas, at least in modern, civilized, democratic countries. The reason Europe developed so much is because they diverted from religious ruling to industrial age governed by reason, and left it to people's private preferences what they want believe in or do in their free time. |
İ believe i had a post here,regarding this point,and btw,i was talking about one of the modern, civilized, democratic countries in the West,not about Türkiye.
About France !
İ guess i can state my opinion too that religion should be taken into consideration when rulling ,or else it will be interfering with people's freedom,and people's private preferences.
The point is,people should be included all kind of people,even Muslims who live in one of the modern, civilized, democratic western countries.
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16 Dec 2006 Sat 03:24 pm |
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Quoting CANLI: Quoting catwoman:
That's a very good point, absolutely. Government by any means shouldn't be directed by any religious dogmas, at least in modern, civilized, democratic countries. The reason Europe developed so much is because they diverted from religious ruling to industrial age governed by reason, and left it to people's private preferences what they want believe in or do in their free time. |
İ believe i had a post here,regarding this point,and btw,i was talking about one of the modern, civilized, democratic countries in the West,not about Türkiye.
About France !
İ guess i can state my opinion too that religion should be taken into consideration when rulling ,or else it will be interfering with people's freedom,and people's private preferences.
The point is,people should be included all kind of people,even Muslims who live in one of the modern, civilized, democratic western countries. |
yes i did mention france in my original or subsequent post in this thread.because headscarves are banned in a lot of circumstances..and i think that impinges upon human rights..so i don't think it is that modern..it seems to only accept what they deem acceptable..
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16 Dec 2006 Sat 03:25 pm |
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Quoting robyn  : the thing is that islam or any other religion shouldn't be forced down people's throats..by having a government linked with religion i think this will only increase any intolerances for other religions..but then this is just my opinion...im not talking about religion anymore |
İ agree with you robyn,that any religion shouldn't be forced down people's throats.
But i don't agree by having a government linked with İslam,that will increase intolerances for other religions.
Because in İslam as you know we have a believe ,ALLAH order us NOT to force religion upon people,everyone has the right to choose his own religion,and it is the government duty to make sure he got all the means to worship ALLAH in the way he choose it.
And as for choosing a government related to religion,it would be the people choice,and i guess it called democracy,Muslims can have democracy too.
And we should respect their choices even if we don't like,because it called freedom too.
Right?
Ps: i guess this discussion related to the topic,its one of the reason that EU doesn't agree Türkiye join,is they consider it an İslamic country !
How democratic !
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16 Dec 2006 Sat 03:26 pm |
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Quote:
İ believe i had a post here,regarding this point,and btw,i was talking about one of the modern, civilized, democratic countries in the West,not about Türkiye.
About France !
The point is,people should be included all kind of people,even Muslims who live in one of the modern, civilized, democratic western countries. |
modern,civilized,democratic country is in the west,France(????????????).France is the country that will punish ppl if they dont accept armenian genocide and give nay opposite opinion about genocide.So where is france's civilization,freedom,and democracy???is giving pressure on any subject to ppl freedom??civilization!!!
Turkey is democratic,civilized and modern country..you can tell all your opinion as orhan pamuk did even he was not expert on the the topic he did...if he said that france had genocide in algeria,would he get nobel award...
think about it CANLI??
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16 Dec 2006 Sat 03:29 pm |
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Quote: Quoting Lapinkulta:
İ believe i had a post here,regarding this point,and btw,i was talking about one of the modern, civilized, democratic countries in the West,not about Türkiye.
About France !
The point is,people should be included all kind of people,even Muslims who live in one of the modern, civilized, democratic western countries. |
modern,civilized,democratic country is in the west,France(????????????).France is the country that will punish ppl if they dont accept armenian genocide and give nay opposite opinion about genocide.So where is france's civilization,freedom,and democracy???is giving pressure on any subject to ppl freedom??civilization!!!
Turkey is democratic,civilized and modern country..you can tell all your opinion as orhan pamuk did even he was not expert on the the topic he did...if he said that france had genocide in algeria,would he get nobel award...
think about it CANLI?? |
lapinkulta canli was saying that france was not one of these..i think u maybe read her post incorrectly..unless i understood it wrong..
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16 Dec 2006 Sat 03:37 pm |
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Quote: Quoting Lapinkulta:
İ believe i had a post here,regarding this point,and btw,i was talking about one of the modern, civilized, democratic countries in the West,not about Türkiye.
About France !
The point is,people should be included all kind of people,even Muslims who live in one of the modern, civilized, democratic western countries. |
modern,civilized,democratic country is in the west,France(????????????).France is the country that will punish ppl if they dont accept armenian genocide and give nay opposite opinion about genocide.So where is france's civilization,freedom,and democracy???is giving pressure on any subject to ppl freedom??civilization!!!
Turkey is democratic,civilized and modern country..you can tell all your opinion as orhan pamuk did even he was not expert on the the topic he did...if he said that france had genocide in algeria,would he get nobel award...
think about it CANLI?? |
Yes Lapinkulta,
İ agree with you,i was refering to France cause its one of the so called modern,civilized,democratic countries,which joint the EU!
And at same time they refuse,or make it hard for Türkiye to join the EU.
They are talking about the freedom and democracy in the West which people enjoying it.
People enjoying freedom and democracy yes,but only people who they agree on their believes,not the people who they disagree with!
So you call this freedom and democracy when you offer it to some,and take it from some ?!
Here too,we are not modern or civilized,democratic country as they see us,just we have thousands of years of civilization!
But at least we can wear and say what ever we like,and they don't ban us for this!
So ironic!
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16 Dec 2006 Sat 03:39 pm |
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Quoting CANLI: Quoting robyn : the thing is that islam or any other religion shouldn't be forced down people's throats..by having a government linked with religion i think this will only increase any intolerances for other religions..but then this is just my opinion...im not talking about religion anymore |
İ agree with you robyn,that any religion shouldn't be forced down people's throats.
But i don't agree by having a government linked with İslam,that will increase intolerances for other religions.
Because in İslam as you know we have a believe ,ALLAH order us NOT to force religion upon people,everyone has the right to choose his own religion,and it is the government duty to make sure he got all the means to worship ALLAH in the way he choose it.
And as for choosing a government related to religion,it would be the people choice,and i guess it called democracy,Muslims can have democracy too.
And we should respect their choices even if we don't like,because it called freedom too.
Right?
Ps: i guess this discussion related to the topic,its one of the reason that EU doesn't agree Türkiye join,is they consider it an İslamic country !
How democratic !
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yes people's freedoms should be respected but in practice we both know that people preach to others about religion and people should not be pressured into undertaking such decisions..and it is more the perception of western countries that could make that negative..
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