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Turkey in EU
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14 Dec 2006 Thu 12:35 pm |
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i dont really see how lapinkulta posting a translation of a persons interview culminated in this discussion.people have taken this topic to heart and without reason really.all lapinkulta did was translate an interview by a famous person and y'all started backbiting..in my opinon eu needs turkey more than the eu..see it as a bridge between east and west..the turkish economy seems to be increasing at a far faster rate than other european countries..yes there are human rights issues in turkey but in my opinion countries like france also have problems..banning people from wearing their headscarves in certasin situations..like whatever..we can't pick and choose what to accept and what not to accept in regards to human rights..its all or nothing..even england's role in the war in iraq..urinating on captives..and we wanna tell turkey to stop doing things..seems hypocritical to me..and no i'm not brushing turkey's problems under the carpet..i just think that the principles should apply equally to all member countries..
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14 Dec 2006 Thu 12:56 pm |
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also in response to arabian's various posts saying that turkey is a middle eastern country, i personally don't agree, whilst it is said that the majority of turkish people are muslim, the majority also do not follow this in the same way that an arabic or strict muslim does,many women do not wear headscarves for example,alcohol is drunk(the quantity of which is irrelevant), haram meat is eaten.although europe views turkey as a purely muslim country it was secularised by ataturk quite some decades ago  for example, in turkey if u only have an islamic marriage itr is not legally binding.it is also necessary to have a registry office/formal ceremony..bigamy is also illegal despite islam allowing up to four wives if each accepts it and is provided for adequately..sorry but to me that doesn't appear to be an islamic country only..one of the beautiful things about turkey is the contrasts between beliefs and opinions..and yet people still are respectful..for example it has been told here before that a woman in islamic dress can sit next to a woman in a miniskirt and low cut top without passing comment..i think thats pretty unique..its about time we stopped viewing turkey as an islamic country and accepted it as what it is..and confused it is not....
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14 Dec 2006 Thu 01:47 pm |
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Quoting robyn  : blah blah, haram meat is eaten. blah blah.... |
How do you know? Although I see pork is sold in the gross-markets, I don't think Muslim Turks buy it.
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14 Dec 2006 Thu 01:49 pm |
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oh no i was not referring to pork..i was referring to non halal meat..as in normal beef,lamb etc,,i dont know any turkish muslims that eat pork..but i know many that eat normal meat..
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15 Dec 2006 Fri 12:14 am |
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lapinkulta
are u telling me that i have no right to discuss about eu and turkeys membership in it? cant a kazak take part in a discusion? i see here many nationalities talking about this subject. why me, a kazak cant speak my mind? are u alright? no fever?
coz, u have no strong agruments back, u popped up with borat! what a shame!
u couldnt give me straight answers. sorry, but i dont play eastern way, play with naive europeans, they will believe u.
btw, if turkey is so wonderful (like almost a paradise, as many ppl describe here)and its economy grows rapidly and stronger in comparison to eu members why does it want the eu membership? why such a wonderful country wants to join a miserable eu? isnt it better then totally to give up that european ignorants than begg them for years and years?
cheers
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15 Dec 2006 Fri 12:40 am |
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we never begged any other country...and wont...joining Eu was agreement between countries that was signed in 1950s.then we followed up steps then it took so much for that reason turkish ppl started to complain about these process.so that ppl dont wanna discuss and call it as a shameful event.
u didnt understand subject,then u started to think that I call all these nations as a enemies..but they are not.
best regards
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15 Dec 2006 Fri 12:53 am |
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Quoting arabianofelix: Quoting femme_fatal: lapinkulta
i didnt understand ur post (mainly due to ur english).
u love such texts, dont u? texts full of emotions.
if a person not from turkey takes serious this sort of opinions of such turks, he/she may think that turkey is a victim of all the nations in this world. eu humiliates turkey, greece is an enemy, armenians are evil, all the central asian countries (so falsely called cousins) do not support turkey (so they automatically become traitors), russia is a monster, usa not helpful enough. these are words i hear everytime i talk a turk. i am tired of conspiracy theories.
a turk is too much proud to join eu, even though he/she is keen on being in eu. this type of thinking is very typical to the eastern mentality: i am a proud turk, proud azer, proud kazak, etc!
i wonder if people are aware of that pride brings u nowhere. it is not a positive value that could help u build a strong society. pride = emptiness! |
I totally disagree with this meaningless wording...
THE MOST UNIQUE THING ABOUT TURKS ARE THEIR PRIDE... WHO ELSE IN THE WORLD HAS SUCH PRIDE? DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT PRIDE MEANS? ANY country would envy the Turks of such a charicteristic... IT'S HONOR and DIGNITY... it seems these days no one knows the meaning of these three words...and this is the 3rd time i mention the word dignity...
If we want a free and peaceful world, if we want to make the deserts bloom and man grow to greater dignity as a human being-we can do it.
--- Eleanor Roosevelt
Our dignity is not in what we do, but what we understand.
--- George Santayana
Human rights rest on human dignity. The dignity of man is an ideal worth fighting for and worth dying for.
--- Robert Maynard
Dignity consists not in possessing honors, but in the consciousness that we deserve them.
--- Aristotle
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tell me dear, how can a pride be unique? what is its value? what does it give u? a feeling that u r better than others? lets say u r a proud person, what r u proud of? r u better than me or others?
well, i ll keep to my conclusion: pride makes u stupid and gives u nothing except for the empty feeling that makes u blind to ur own faults.
why did u quote mrs roosevelt? i dont see anyconnection of her words to the pride or honor of turks.
or is it just a show off that u know a few words of wisdom?
sorry, human dignity? i totally disagree with that quotation.
i dont agree with such philosophy, its too much abstractive, not pragmatic.
honors? honor of what? honor for what?
i dont either need any type of honors,
since i dont need to honor anything or anybody, and ohh, hmmm, dont honor me too.
i live a simple life, i live on earth as a simple human being, not up high in the sky with all the honors and pride or dignity and other blah-blah. no wonder that some nations dont cope here on earth because of living in their world of imagination.
well, what can i say? keep up to ur honors and pride and all the fantasies.
cheers
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| 37. |
15 Dec 2006 Fri 01:11 am |
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Seems I missed some fun here today ...hehehe. Ahh well, iyi geceler
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| 38. |
15 Dec 2006 Fri 02:26 am |
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Quoting femme_fatal: sorry, but i dont play eastern way |
İ don't know what is your problem with Easterns,Eastern's ways,Eastern's character?!!
Why do you make it a problem between Western and Easterns more than it is already exist?
We have differences,we try to understand each other,or more like it accept each others differences.
We who we are,and we will always be who we are,and you who you are,and will always be this way.
So better start to accept our differences than criticizing each other.
You don't like Eastern's way ? We don't like Western's ways .
East will always be East and West will always be West.
What is the point here of attacking East ?
So we attack West back ?
So ??!
Where would that lead us ?
And yes,we think high values of pride,honor,and things like that.
İts part of our character,but there is huge different between being proud,and being ignorant !
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| 39. |
15 Dec 2006 Fri 02:51 am |
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good point Canli.Please femme fatal be careful with your words. Use them responsibly.
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15 Dec 2006 Fri 03:56 am |
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robyn ?
What do you mean by İslamic country ?
İs it bad to be İslamic country ?!
For example Egypt is an İslamic country,but it even has Muslims less than Türkiya has,we have many Christians Egyptians,not knowing the percentage exactly,but maybe %25,%30 of Egyptians are Christians.
There are lots of women wearing scarves,but again woman in islamic dress can sit next to a woman in a miniskirt and low cut top without passing comment,
And,here too,if u only have an islamic marriage it is not legally binding.it is also necessary to have a registry office/formal ceremony.
But here,only for Muslims,the law allow bigamy because İslam allowing up to four wives if each accepts it and is provided for adequately.
But for none Muslims,Christians i mean,the law is not allowing it cause its not in their religion.
So that makes it İslamic country or not then ?
So i don't understand what you mean by İslamic country.
İ'm not criticizing,i am inquiring to know what does West means by islamic country?
We are İslamic,but we are having it this way.
And what is haram meat,which is not pork ?
Only pork is haram as i know,what is haram beaf and so ?
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