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16 Dec 2006 Sat 03:39 pm |
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Quoting CANLI: Quoting robyn  : the thing is that islam or any other religion shouldn't be forced down people's throats..by having a government linked with religion i think this will only increase any intolerances for other religions..but then this is just my opinion...im not talking about religion anymore |
İ agree with you robyn,that any religion shouldn't be forced down people's throats.
But i don't agree by having a government linked with İslam,that will increase intolerances for other religions.
Because in İslam as you know we have a believe ,ALLAH order us NOT to force religion upon people,everyone has the right to choose his own religion,and it is the government duty to make sure he got all the means to worship ALLAH in the way he choose it.
And as for choosing a government related to religion,it would be the people choice,and i guess it called democracy,Muslims can have democracy too.
And we should respect their choices even if we don't like,because it called freedom too.
Right?
Ps: i guess this discussion related to the topic,its one of the reason that EU doesn't agree Türkiye join,is they consider it an İslamic country !
How democratic !
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yes people's freedoms should be respected but in practice we both know that people preach to others about religion and people should not be pressured into undertaking such decisions..and it is more the perception of western countries that could make that negative..
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16 Dec 2006 Sat 03:42 pm |
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Quoting aenigma x: Quoting susie k: I know that we English are very proud of our history ie the Royal Navy! Maybe not of a lot of other things though. |
Are we? I can't think of much that I am proud of from our military history - except maybe WW2. Anyway....I also dont know any Turks who support joining the EU.... |
I would also add WW1.We speak of the British Army and Navy in Scotland and we owe them a huge debt. It is the politicians who sometimes land them in impossible situations.
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16 Dec 2006 Sat 03:44 pm |
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Quoting Joey: I would also add WW1.We speak of the British Army and Navy in Scotland and we owe them a huge debt. It is the politicians who sometimes land them in impossible situations. |
I am not saying that I don't support any of our forces Joey. I am NOT PROUD of what they are ordered to do. Especially in WW1 - what on earth was all that loss of life for exactly? I am certainly NOT proud of that part of history...
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16 Dec 2006 Sat 03:45 pm |
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ppl thinks that all turkish are crazy about being EU's membership but this is not true.Support for EU is decreasing in Turkey...we are not in Eu but they are in Turkey.European come and stay in turkey whatever they want..visa cost is about 10 euro and there are not prevention to get visa...so they dont need to get TR in Eu coz they all doing what they want in Turkey.but A turkish who is applying visa has to pay at least30 euro for just applicatin than that person has to spend many for collecting all necessary papaers and face to face humiliation at embassy...etc....and turkish started to learnt these and started to beaheve bad about this subject.these will increase ppl's number who are agaist EU.
best regards
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16 Dec 2006 Sat 03:47 pm |
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Quoting CANLI: But at least we can wear and say what ever we like,and they don't ban us for this!
So ironic! |
Canli, please don't misunderstand me, I'm not criticizing or arguing, just wondering. You're from Egypt, aren't you? Can you really say outloud in public what you think? I mean, can you say in public your president sucks? That he's a moron?
Why do I ask this? Because I can say similar things here and no one will harm me or sue me. The only thing I can't say are discriminating things (like all X are Y)- at least I can't say them in all words I choose.
And again, don't misunderstand me, freedom of speech to me does NOT mean everyone can say anything they like. There is always something like politeness and common sense. Though I am happy to live in Holland, I don't think 'our' way of thinking is holy and the best there is.
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16 Dec 2006 Sat 03:48 pm |
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Quoting Lapinkulta:
...if he said that france had genocide in algeria,would he get nobel award...
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Or İtaly in Libya ,would he get it ?!
We had the Nobel award too in literature years ago,our writer is Muslim,and he had many writtings,great one really,but the award he got it on a story he wrote,and was making fun by ALLAH and the Prophets !
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16 Dec 2006 Sat 03:51 pm |
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...and so a discussion on politics AGAIN moves to religion. For as long as the two are inseparable, there will never be peace and there will never be harmony in this world. 
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16 Dec 2006 Sat 03:52 pm |
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Quoting Trudy: Quoting CANLI: But at least we can wear and say what ever we like,and they don't ban us for this!
So ironic! |
Canli, please don't misunderstand me, I'm not criticizing or arguing, just wondering. You're from Egypt, aren't you? Can you really say outloud in public what you think? I mean, can you say in public your president sucks? That he's a moron?
Why do I ask this? Because I can say similar things here and no one will harm me or sue me. The only thing I can't say are discriminating things (like all X are Y)- at least I can't say them in all words I choose.
And again, don't misunderstand me, freedom of speech to me does NOT mean everyone can say anything they like. There is always something like politeness and common sense. Though I am happy to live in Holland, I don't think 'our' way of thinking is holy and the best there is. |
actually i know several people that have visited egypt n when they wore bikinis they were told to go n put more clothes on..not sure how that is being able to wear whatever u want..
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16 Dec 2006 Sat 03:53 pm |
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Quote:
And again, don't misunderstand me, freedom of speech to me does NOT mean everyone can say anything they like. There is always something like politeness and common sense. Though I am happy to live in Holland, I don't think 'our' way of thinking is holy and the best there is. |
what about in a hospital which is in flemish part, could u be treared well?or could u shout that u are proud of being dutch in flemish region??
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16 Dec 2006 Sat 03:55 pm |
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Quote: Quoting Lapinkulta:
And again, don't misunderstand me, freedom of speech to me does NOT mean everyone can say anything they like. There is always something like politeness and common sense. Though I am happy to live in Holland, I don't think 'our' way of thinking is holy and the best there is. |
what about in a hospital which is in flemish part, could u be treared well?or could u shout that u are proud of being dutch in flemish region?? |
ok dont all scream at me here..but are dutch and flemish not the same... 
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16 Dec 2006 Sat 03:58 pm |
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Quote: Quoting Lapinkulta:
And again, don't misunderstand me, freedom of speech to me does NOT mean everyone can say anything they like. There is always something like politeness and common sense. Though I am happy to live in Holland, I don't think 'our' way of thinking is holy and the best there is. |
what about in a hospital which is in flemish part, could u be treared well?or could u shout that u are proud of being dutch in flemish region?? |
The Flemish region is in Belgium. Another country it is. I don't know if I can there, I think so, it would be more 'dangerous' to say I'm proud of being Walloon (from the French-speaking part of Belgium).
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