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14 Dec 2006 Thu 07:27 am |
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Quoting catwoman: I think what you really mean is that YOU have identity crisis...  . Anyways, the rest of what you said has no real content to discuss, those are just your emotions, can't argue with that. |
think whatever is easy for u to comprehend, i don't want u to work hard on this... no nobel peace prize is on the line...there are more important things in ur life i bet... and mine's too...
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14 Dec 2006 Thu 07:33 am |
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Quoting gezbelle:
i'm not taking any sides...
...but you said turkey is neither asian or european...then why is it trying to get into the european union then??
and if it is middle eastern...then once again, why is it trying to get into the european union??? |
sorry gazbelle... it's merely a simple formed structure of economic unity to compete with American capitalism...
u can answer ur question by asking another question: WHY AREN'T ALL EUROPEAN COUNTRIES IN THIS UNION?
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14 Dec 2006 Thu 07:43 am |
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Quoting arabianofelix: it's like saying... "why do we have a UN?" |
is it really?? i don't think so...
Quoting arabianofelix: sorry gazbelle... it's merely a simple formed structure of economic unity to compete with American capitalism... |
erm...eu is made up of european countries...i do re-call morocco trying to get into the eu, but it was denied because it wasn't deemed to be in europe...
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14 Dec 2006 Thu 07:57 am |
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Quoting arabianofelix: u can answer ur question by asking another question: WHY AREN'T ALL EUROPEAN COUNTRIES IN THIS UNION? |
because the eu started out as and grew out of the european coal and steel community (ecsc) which consisted of france, west germany, italy, belgium, luxembourg and the netherlands. from there it has grown.
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14 Dec 2006 Thu 08:53 am |
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Quoting arabianofelix: think whatever is easy for u to comprehend, i don't want u to work hard on this... no nobel peace prize is on the line...there are more important things in ur life i bet... and mine's too... |
hey, dude, I do want to work hard on this, but you're not giving me anything to respond to! you're just talking about your own feelings. how can we talk about the EU if you're mixing it with your emotional life...? but maybe after all that's more important .
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14 Dec 2006 Thu 10:17 am |
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Quoting Lapinkulta: Im sending you a new postwhich was recently presented by one of the famous Turkish soccer Technic director during a TV show;now all Turkish people clapping him coz we fed up with these EU wants from Turkish...
We are having shameful days which are really shameful…I, as a Turkish,I thought that are shameful,we are in the formation for 43 years. When we started this formulation, countries which were not in the geography,map,and they were independed into 10 or 15 years and they are talking about shameful things. It is revenge of SEVR agrement which was held in 1915 and Turkey were seperated by countries such as Uk,France,Italy,Greece. They wanna leave Lozan agreement which Turkish got back their lands.Many of them were escaped out of Turkey by Turkish people’s independent war. This is really shameful.It is really revenge of it…the tgings they are talking about, Ankara agreement,decisions about Cyprus, openings of harbours for southern cyprus,these are shameful. Turkey is a country which will manage to overcome all.This is a surroundings without weapons,it will stand alone succesfully.Turkey had been surrounded with weapons in 1915s. Turkish had showed common sense.we showed how much improved sympathy and antipathy for EU into 2 years.Because Turkish had met famine in advance but never lost their freedom and honour. |
Yes. I saw that clip. In Turkish, it was very sentimental. Those were wise words coming from a football coach. Many people have the same feelings as his. English translation doesn't reflect the same feelings. Lapinkulta where did you get that translation? Is it yours?
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14 Dec 2006 Thu 11:16 am |
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14 Dec 2006 Thu 11:27 am |
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Quoting susie k: I saw on the news this morning that the German's are opposing Turkey joining the EU. |
That's OK. Turks are also opposing more and more according to the latest polls. I expect it will go even to the lower levels in the future. Europeans are opposing, Turks are opposing. Yet we should see someone (a strong leader) to stop this nonsense.
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14 Dec 2006 Thu 11:31 am |
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Quoting arabianofelix: Quoting femme_fatal: lapinkulta
i didnt understand ur post (mainly due to ur english).
u love such texts, dont u? texts full of emotions.
if a person not from turkey takes serious this sort of opinions of such turks, he/she may think that turkey is a victim of all the nations in this world. eu humiliates turkey, greece is an enemy, armenians are evil, all the central asian countries (so falsely called cousins) do not support turkey (so they automatically become traitors), russia is a monster, usa not helpful enough. these are words i hear everytime i talk a turk. i am tired of conspiracy theories.
a turk is too much proud to join eu, even though he/she is keen on being in eu. this type of thinking is very typical to the eastern mentality: i am a proud turk, proud azer, proud kazak, etc!
i wonder if people are aware of that pride brings u nowhere. it is not a positive value that could help u build a strong society. pride = emptiness! |
I totally disagree with this meaningless wording...
THE MOST UNIQUE THING ABOUT TURKS ARE THEIR PRIDE... WHO ELSE IN THE WORLD HAS SUCH PRIDE? DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT PRIDE MEANS? ANY country would envy the Turks of such a charicteristic... IT'S HONOR and DIGNITY... it seems these days no one knows the meaning of these three words...and this is the 3rd time i mention the word dignity...
If we want a free and peaceful world, if we want to make the deserts bloom and man grow to greater dignity as a human being-we can do it.
--- Eleanor Roosevelt
Our dignity is not in what we do, but what we understand.
--- George Santayana
Human rights rest on human dignity. The dignity of man is an ideal worth fighting for and worth dying for.
--- Robert Maynard
Dignity consists not in possessing honors, but in the consciousness that we deserve them.
--- Aristotle
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This post is really so rude and unacceptable...a kazak is interested in Turkey's membership to EU..it is not understandable.
then Turkey and Turkish ppl has freedom .there are no limitation for human right and kurdish in TR..and Turkey never be a middle eastern country.
best regards
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14 Dec 2006 Thu 11:35 am |
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hey it is almost one by one translation,just added some words to clarify sentences for foreign, best regards
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14 Dec 2006 Thu 12:35 pm |
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i dont really see how lapinkulta posting a translation of a persons interview culminated in this discussion.people have taken this topic to heart and without reason really.all lapinkulta did was translate an interview by a famous person and y'all started backbiting..in my opinon eu needs turkey more than the eu..see it as a bridge between east and west..the turkish economy seems to be increasing at a far faster rate than other european countries..yes there are human rights issues in turkey but in my opinion countries like france also have problems..banning people from wearing their headscarves in certasin situations..like whatever..we can't pick and choose what to accept and what not to accept in regards to human rights..its all or nothing..even england's role in the war in iraq..urinating on captives..and we wanna tell turkey to stop doing things..seems hypocritical to me..and no i'm not brushing turkey's problems under the carpet..i just think that the principles should apply equally to all member countries..
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