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Turkey cannot turn its back on democracy
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160.       mltm
3690 posts
 02 May 2007 Wed 11:53 am

Quoting erdinc:


Look at this picture. You will see mens desk and womens desk. This is Istanbul and they are paying their water bills to councils pay desk.



I can't believe that! This is not possible?!

161.       KeithL
1455 posts
 02 May 2007 Wed 11:54 am

Quoting CANLI:

Quoting KeithL:



Then they should have waited till the election time comes and not interfear .



The Presidential election by Parliament is now. General Elections are later. The term of President is 6 years. There was no time to wait.
No blood has been shed. No swords were drawn. Only military enforcing constitution.
And now, Erdogan wants to change constitution. So, he does not accept the constitution the way that Ataturk had it drafted. Even more reason he has to go.

162.       KeithL
1455 posts
 02 May 2007 Wed 11:56 am

Quoting mltm:

Quoting erdinc:


Look at this picture. You will see mens desk and womens desk. This is Istanbul and they are paying their water bills to councils pay desk.



I can't believe that! This is not possible?!



This is Erdogan's AK Parti Istanbul....and his vision for Turkey.

163.       CANLI
5084 posts
 02 May 2007 Wed 12:05 pm

Quoting KeithL:

The most ironic thing of all Canli is that your country, Egypt, has no democracy at all. Your presidential elections have had only one candidate since the early 80's. And Mubarik is grooming his son to become the next king....I mean president.



So ?! that means what ? We accept it and accept all other way of not having Democracy in every country?!
We should change our minds and our concepts ?
So what would be the difference between us and poor not educated people?!!!
Again,i dont understand your logic !

Off to work, Cya

164.       mltm
3690 posts
 02 May 2007 Wed 12:36 pm

I hope one day all the muslim countries will come to the point of Turkey. I wish they had the same army, the army of Mustafa Kemal who would fight for the democracy and secularism, but unfortunately the armies of the islamic countries are the guardians of the İslamic regime and they haven't had a leader like ours, so it's very difficult for the poor people protest against these islamic governments. There's not an army that would back them.
We watch the new measures taken in İran. They have even banned the western hair styles for men.
Look at the poor girl being arrested by the islamic police http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gj7_q97dqek

I am really very sorry about the peoples of these countries, I admire iranian, arabian cultures and languages, but because of their islamic traditions applied in their countries and because of the arab leaders who sell their country to USA they are ages behind. These people don't deserve to live like this.

It has been a little out of topic, but even if Turkey is a democratic secular country, it's not a France, there's always a need to protect our current regime, because there's always a possiblity to be like İran. It's not realistic to say that Turkey can never be an İslamic country, these islamists organize so well that it can be very late to fix it back.

165.       CANLI
5084 posts
 02 May 2007 Wed 01:09 pm

You know,now i understood that you dont know anything about Muslim countries but you are still talking about them !
I dont mean just you ,mltm but all !

What should really be called Muslim Country is the only country is applying the islamic law "Shari'a"

And that goes for only 2 country Iran and Saudi Arabia.

Other countries not using Shari'a in their laws most of them using the French law as main recourse.

Therefor they are not ruled by an Islamic government.
Same in Egypt,our law is form from our needs,and from the French law as main recourse

As for our army,Elhamdulillah we have a strong army protecting our nation,our borders from our enemies.

And lead many wars ends just 30 yrs ago by Peace agreement between us.

To tell you the differences between the countries it needs lots of time and space,and this thread not its place.
You really need much to know,for you are mixing things up.

If you search you will get an idea,and if any need further information PM me,and i will help if i can.

166.       KeithL
1455 posts
 02 May 2007 Wed 01:22 pm

Canli, Egypt doesnt have real elections. How can you say your country emulates french government?

167.       mltm
3690 posts
 02 May 2007 Wed 01:22 pm

Yes, I agree that we lack a lot of knowledge about muslim countries, we consider most of them equal to İran, and see all the muslims equal to talibans.
And we including the turks are prejudiced against especially the arabs. We consider all of the arabs as a one nation. We look down upon them and refuse to learn more about them. All of my turkish friends made fun of me when I told them I was going out with an arab.
I have noticed this lack of knowledge in me and lately I have started to be more interested in these countries and people. That doesn't mean that I admire their unseculiar regimes, but there are other things to admire.

168.       CANLI
5084 posts
 02 May 2007 Wed 01:29 pm

Quoting KeithL:

Canli, Egypt doesnt have real elections. How can you say your country emulates french government?


Ohh KeithL,review my post again,have i said french government?
Or i said french law ?

You are just arguing with me and didnt even bother to read my post ...
Ok, there are diffence of having almost the same law,and applying it same way !

I wish there was a copy of it in English so it would spare me all that kind of arguments!

I will search,maybe i find and i will send you the link .

169.       KeithL
1455 posts
 02 May 2007 Wed 01:31 pm

How can you criticize Turkish government, when your government doesnt have real elections? This is specifically what I am asking.

170.       CANLI
5084 posts
 02 May 2007 Wed 01:32 pm

Quoting mltm:

Yes, I agree that we lack a lot of knowledge about muslim countries, we consider most of them equal to İran, and see all the muslims equal to talibans.
And we including the turks are prejudiced against especially the arabs. We consider all of the arabs as a one nation. We look down upon them and refuse to learn more about them. All of my turkish friends made fun of me when I told them I was going out with an arab.
I have noticed this lack of knowledge in me and lately I have started to be more interested in these countries and people. That doesn't mean that I admire their unseculiar regimes, but there are other things to admire.


I agree with that too.
I've noticed it.
There is one thing i must point it too,there is difference between Egyptians and Arabs.
Egyptians are not Arabs,Arabs are the people who lived original in deserts.
Egyptians were always here,beside our Nile

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