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Turkey cannot turn its back on democracy
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01 May 2007 Tue 10:16 pm |
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Quoting azade: What is your source erdinc? Is it something they have proclaimed or otherwise announced? |
Do you really need a source? My simple horse sense tells me that those things could be a logical consequence of having an islamist government? 
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01 May 2007 Tue 10:26 pm |
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Armegon,
Your post should have explained to anyone that did not understand why AK Party (or any other fundamental islamic polticians) cannot become President.
And for those that keep pointing out Erdogan was elected PM, remember, he had less than 40% of the vote. So a majority of Turks did not vote for him.
I will agree that he has been OK as PM, but as President, never.
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01 May 2007 Tue 10:30 pm |
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Quoting CANLI: Quoting KeithL: I dont know where you get your information from. People bussed in from all regions of turkey for both events, not only Istanbul and Ankara. And I'm sure you are aware that Istanbul and Ankara are the two largest cities. Between them, they represent about 25% of the country's population.
And soon, there will be a rally in Germany by Turks who live there, also against AK Party.
Look who is against the AK party gaining the presidency. It is the well educated Turks. University staff, business leaders, senior military staff. Do you think these people are stupid?
Not living in Turkey, where do you form your opinion on this subject?
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İ get my information from Turkish people not only live in İstanbul and Ankara .
And i dont really understand what you aim for .
Do you say only well educated people, University staff, business leaders, senior military staff have rights for election and choose who is their leaders,and other people NOT ?!!
İ dont think all those people are stupid,i think everyone entitled to his opinion whether he is well educated or NOT!
Beside everyone of those got his own agenda which indicate his opinion.
And rally in Germany by Turks who are living there away from their home land not feeling the achievement that their current government which been elected by poeple of Türkiye did,what would that say ?!!!
And i wonder those Turk who live in Germany where do they form their opinion about this subject from ?!!!
You are living in İstanbul,then where do you form your opinion about what other people who live outside think ?!
İ guess those are not logic questions,right ?! |
I only ask because your words sound like the words that are spoken by people thathate Ataturk. There are those that wish Turkey was still ruled by Islamic Law. So these people, and the secular followers of Ataturk will never agree on this issue. Additionally, the people that hate Ataturk are more influenced by Arab Agenda, not Turkish Agenda. This is what the post refering to Arab followers was referring. Not rascism.
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01 May 2007 Tue 10:42 pm |
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KeithL.....
My words are very clear,and no need to prediction.
İ didnt say i hate Atatürk,i didnt even talk about him.
İ said in any case Army should NOT threat a governmet.
İ said army SHOULD be ruled by governmet.
So,where did you get the idea of me hate Atatürk from ?!
Why do you all leave the main issue and talk about branches ?
Who said we are discussing the 4 laws or something like that ?
The point was,a government has been elected by people should only rule both people and army.
İf the people dont want it,then dont elect it !
Tell me again,where did you get the Atatürk issue from ?
Does anyone say something you dont agree with,you accuse him/her of hating Atatürk even if the issue not been brought up ?!
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01 May 2007 Tue 11:00 pm |
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Quoting Elisa: Quoting azade: What is your source erdinc? Is it something they have proclaimed or otherwise announced? |
Do you really need a source? My simple horse sense tells me that those things could be a logical consequence of having an islamist government? |
Of course a source is needed, at all times. I doubt that Gül would actually stand up and proclaim those changes in society, so when somebody says they are going to do so and so, it is a personal analysis. For me personally, it has never crossed my mind that AKP was an islamist party, although I know that it has religious roots, so of course I want to know how someone has come to the conclusion they have.
And just for the record, that a party may have roots in relgion (any religion) doesn't mean they are fundamentalist or want to change the society completely.
Erdinc - thanks for posting your sources. I'd like to read more up on it 
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01 May 2007 Tue 11:01 pm |
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Quoting erdinc: Our Supreme Court has ruled that the first round of prime minister elections are invalid.
http://www.ntvmsnbc.com/news/406777.asp
What this means is that Islamic politician Abdullah Gül won't become the new president.
The presidency is a critical place for Islamic politicians because it has the power to assign supreme court members and university presidents.
Islamic politics is very easy to understand. This is what they want to do step by step:
1. Critical administrative units will be occupied by Islamic rooted people. (this has already happened in most areas. Imams are in charge on top positions of eduactional departments or healt departments or even on fire department. Everywhere you see them. These days you can't even become a headteacher in any local school in Turkia if you are not close to Islamic politics).
2. headscarf will be allowed at universities for students. That will be the breaking point if it happens.
3. headscarf will be allowed for lecturers at universities
4. headscarf will be allowed for teachers at public schools
5. headscarf will be allowed at secondary schools for students
6. headscarf will be allowed at primary schools for students. Imagine even one generation (10 years) kids growing with the religious education, all brain washed.
A few years ago I was a teacher in a school in Ankara and there comes this new maths teacher into the teachers room wearing a headscarf. We were all shocked and told her that she can't go into the classroom like that. She become mad and said she was a ring of a chain and would fight for their ideas and didn't care for the rules not even for the constitution. Off course she was reported and dismissed from the job.
7. weekend days will be changed to friday and saturday so it will include the holy friday.
8. Working hours will be changed according praying times.
9. Number of prayer rooms (mescit) will increase in official departments.
10. Islamic marriage (imam nikahı ) will become legal and equal to official marriage.
11. Polygamy will become legal. Already many of the AK party members have multiple wives.
12. Alcohol will be banned.
13. Wearing swimsuits will be banned for females.
14. Islamic police department will be established.
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I forgot to mention what would happen if the Islamists would get the presidency. The president has the power to assign presidents of all state universities and members of our central higher education administration. So everthing would be set to allow headscarf in universities. |
erdinc,
loved it! thank you, mate!
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01 May 2007 Tue 11:05 pm |
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Canli, I'm not saying you hate Ataturk. You may not even know who Ataturk is. But it is true that the very pro-islamists hate Ataturk. When you go to other Islamic countries and discuss Turkish politics, they speak of Ataturk as their worst enemy.
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01 May 2007 Tue 11:10 pm |
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KeithL.....
My words are very clear,and no need to prediction.
İ said in any case Army should NOT threat a governmet.
(By turkish constitution, this is armys duty.)
İ said army SHOULD be ruled by governmet.
(Turkey is different than other countries. It is armys responsibility to protect the constitution and the people from the government)
The point was,a government has been elected by people should only rule both people and army.
(37% of people voted for erdogan for PM, not President. An islamist cannot become President. Its that simple)
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01 May 2007 Tue 11:36 pm |
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Quoting KeithL: Canli, I'm not saying you hate Ataturk. You may not even know who Ataturk is.. |
Well thank you,but not to mention that im highly educated,but at least that i can read !
So i know who Atatürk is !
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01 May 2007 Tue 11:39 pm |
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Quoting Elisa: Quoting CANLI: İf they want to cover up and walk in the streets,let them,if they want to walk naked,then let them too! |
The thing is, a democratic secular government might not mingle with people showing their religious preferences, but an islamic government will do so, and will never allow people to show too much skin for example, let alone to walk naked,..
Your example is utopic Canlı.. :-S |
Elisa,check this out,and you will understand what do those women feel İ have an opinion !
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01 May 2007 Tue 11:46 pm |
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Quoting CANLI: Elisa,check this out,and you will understand what do those women feel İ have an opinion ! |
Just to make it clear: I understood very well that your saying people "wanting to walk naked" was a figure of speech.
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