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Turkey cannot turn its back on democracy
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02 May 2007 Wed 12:34 am |
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Quoting KeithL: Comparing Dubai to typical Arab cities is ridiculous. Lets look at damascus, tehran, bahgdad, cairo, these kinds of cities for comparison. |
Dubai was not for comparison,Dubai was for the sentence 'we will help them to be modern'
And ok,i agree,lets talk about Cairo,although it will be off the topic here,but what about it ?
What he said can be applied on Cairo ?!!!
That is what i call it ridiculous!!!
We are an İslamic country because we have a Muslims majotity,but our law not set from İslam as in İran and Saudi Arabia,İslam is one of the sources,the other is the French law !
So you must define first what do you mean by İslamic country ?
Muslims or systems ?!
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02 May 2007 Wed 12:36 am |
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Cairo lives under islamic law and is living the way most cities did 50 years ago.
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02 May 2007 Wed 12:43 am |
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Yeah, Cairo may look like so, but at least it is still called a city. So what about Istanbul, the least developed but the biggest village of the world? 
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02 May 2007 Wed 12:47 am |
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Quoting mltm:
Even themselves are confused. Within their party there is not a unity I think. Recep Tayyip Erdoğan comes from a party that is really islamic and before he had very radical ideas like changing the state completely to an islamic state, but later he established his own party and gained the sempathy of the people using both religion (not in a radical way) and also giving promises to make Turkey enter in the european union. It was a very big promise since the people believed everything would get better, especially economically.He might also have understood that only with the support of european union and US, he could get to power. And one of their biggest enemy is the army which is really secular and does not let any religious party rule the country. And the EU and the USA do not want the turkish army be so powerful. Maybe, the EU is only tactics for T. Erdoğan because years ago in his speeches he had said 'he would use every possible way in order to accomplish their dreams (islamic dreams)' , he had also said, 'democracy was just a tool for them to be successful' and with the help of EU, they can get to every possible high position. He also later said he had changed his old ideas, and he became a conservatrive democratic.
I think now he is being used by US in the plans of making the middle east a union of moderate islamic states. And the real secular democrats cannot trust Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, because it is not clear what he wants to do. |
Exactly, what a wonderful summary!! Their aim is to weaken Turkish Army. Puppets of USA and EU…obedient AKP…
To see how muslim(new term moderate and democratic muslim, her nasılsa) they are and how they use religion for obtaining political advantages, a few examples are enough;
1-They say “we will solve the problem of turban(headscarf)â€, on the other hand although they have the majority of the Parliament, they had no attempt to solve, they only talk(exploitation continues)
2-He says “I am the Imam of İstanbulâ€, on the other hand he says “if needed i can also wear priest cloth for my partyâ€(maşallah we have got priest Imam at last)
3- He says “I am at the side of parliament to open with praysâ€, on the other hand he said he would pray for the hero american soldiers(surprisingly(!!) he forgot people of Iraq)
And so on…
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02 May 2007 Wed 12:50 am |
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Quoting KeithL: Cairo lives under islamic law and is living the way most cities did 50 years ago. |
Cairo lives under İslamic law ?!!!
What İslamic law allows topless beaches ?!
İf you care to tell me which Ayat in Kor'an said that i will be grateful !
İ dont say i approve,but its here!
What İslamic law allow alcoholic to be bought and sold ?!
.......,....ect
Again,i dont say i approve too.
And btw,Alcohol not forbbiden only in İslam,but also in Tawrah 'Jewish religion' and Christianity in case you forgot!
Cairo is similler to İstanbul for those who dont know,that says even by Turkish people who came here,saying 'even there is same poor man in the alley!'
We are not a rich country although we can be some day soon inşallah,that's we lack,money because of our wars.
People tend to believe the worst in anything related to İslam,
The worst about Muslims,or the worst about Countries.
So you know,i wont argue with you what you already know,you said you've visited Egypt before,so you know better,so i wont argue.
And who want to know us,can visit us,can see us in TV,read about us,even surf the net too.
Knowledge is here for who wants to know !
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02 May 2007 Wed 01:03 am |
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I am not an expert at all on cairo.
But, here are a few of my observations.
I stay at Nile hilton and other hotels similar in that area. These hotels have bars and casinos. My egyptian colleagues are not allowed to join me. You must have a foreign passport to enter.
The only place I know where there are pubs is on the island where the consualtes are. So alcohol is not so freely available.
Segregated subways. Women in front only, no men.
I am not saying these are bad laws for cairo. but i donot wish to see them come to istanbul.
Nude beaches in Cairo? Did I miss soemthing? 
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02 May 2007 Wed 01:07 am |
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Quoting Quasimodo: Yeah, Cairo may look like so, but at least it is still called a city. So what about Istanbul, the least developed but the biggest village of the world? |
Great....the hatred shows its colors.
We'll be more than happy to keep you out.
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02 May 2007 Wed 01:10 am |
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I have no intention to live in the jungle anyway. Did I call it the least developed village? Oh, I have changed my mind! The most dangerous jungle in the world! No thanks!
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02 May 2007 Wed 01:12 am |
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Quoting KeithL: I am not an expert at all on cairo.
But, here are a few of my observations.
I stay at Nile hilton and other hotels similar in that area. These hotels have bars and casinos. My egyptian colleagues are not allowed to join me. You must have a foreign passport to enter.
The only place I know where there are pubs is on the island where the consualtes are. So alcohol is not so freely available.
Segregated subways. Women in front only, no men.
I am not saying these are bad laws for cairo. but i donot wish to see them come to istanbul.
Nude beaches in Cairo? Did I miss soemthing? |
Welll,ask any high school kid and he will bring it to you !
As for UG,there are 1 or 2 for women only,and others are mixed
And that was upon our demand 'women' after some incident!
So who chose to ride there its up to her,who doesnt she can ride the other ones.
Well,is there beaches in Cairo ?!
Beaches is where Sea,or oceans are.
And no need to say that im talking about other city on the beach,i thought you got that instantly.
Ok,im talking about Dahab and Ras Mohamed in Sinai.
Fair enough ? 
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02 May 2007 Wed 01:16 am |
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What about my egyptian colleagues not being able to join me in certain hotel restaurants? Is this the islamic freedom you are speaking of?
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02 May 2007 Wed 01:19 am |
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We have gone off topic here.
New elections are coming in june. The people will speak. Turks will have their democracy.
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