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Turkey cannot turn its back on democracy
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01 May 2007 Tue 11:46 pm |
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Quoting CANLI: Elisa,check this out,and you will understand what do those women feel İ have an opinion ! |
Just to make it clear: I understood very well that your saying people "wanting to walk naked" was a figure of speech.
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01 May 2007 Tue 11:47 pm |
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Quoting KeithL: Canli, I'm not saying you hate Ataturk. You may not even know who Ataturk is. But it is true that the very pro-islamists hate Ataturk. When you go to other Islamic countries and discuss Turkish politics, they speak of Ataturk as their worst enemy. |
100% true!
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01 May 2007 Tue 11:51 pm |
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Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting KeithL: Canli, I'm not saying you hate Ataturk. You may not even know who Ataturk is. But it is true that the very pro-islamists hate Ataturk. When you go to other Islamic countries and discuss Turkish politics, they speak of Ataturk as their worst enemy. |
100% true!
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İ hope you also didnt mean that its true i dont know Atatürk. 
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01 May 2007 Tue 11:57 pm |
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Quoting Elisa: Quoting CANLI: Elisa,check this out,and you will understand what do those women feel İ have an opinion ! |
Just to make it clear: I understood very well that your saying people "wanting to walk naked" was a figure of speech.
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Well of course a figure of speech when they walk in the streets,but walking on beaches is different,they do walk naked .
My point is,people seek freedom for themselves,they should allow others to have it.
What you accept for yourself,you should accept it for others!
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02 May 2007 Wed 12:02 am |
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Many Islamic countries are hundreds of years behind civilization. In many Islamic countries females are considered like objects to be bought and sold. They have no rights at all. They have no right to chose the man they are going to marry, no right to vote, no right for inheritance, no right for modern education, no right to work, no right to chose where they live, no right to divorce (asking for divorce would be main reason for killing them).
In many Islamic countries even a cow is considered more valuable than girls. Females are not even counted as children of a family. In many of those countries if you ask a man how many children he has he might say five. This means he has five sons. They don't count the girls. Girls will be sold when they become 13.
Ottomans have ruled those countries for hundreds of years. Those are our neighbours. We have a responsibility in those lands to help our neighbours. We need to help them to become more modern.
For now let's solve our domestic problems but in the future we are going to help our neigbours. Don't worry, with time we'll fix them.
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02 May 2007 Wed 12:10 am |
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None of this matters now. With early elections in June, Erdogan and Gul are finished. And they only have themselves to blame.
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02 May 2007 Wed 12:19 am |
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Quoting erdinc: Our Supreme Court has ruled that the first round of prime minister elections are invalid.
http://www.ntvmsnbc.com/news/406777.asp
What this means is that Islamic politician Abdullah Gül won't become the new president.
The presidency is a critical place for Islamic politicians because it has the power to assign supreme court members and university presidents.
Islamic politics is very easy to understand. This is what they want to do step by step:
1. Critical administrative units will be occupied by Islamic rooted people. (this has already happened in most areas. Imams are in charge on top positions of eduactional departments or healt departments or even on fire department. Everywhere you see them. These days you can't even become a headteacher in any local school in Turkia if you are not close to Islamic politics).
2. headscarf will be allowed at universities for students. That will be the breaking point if it happens.
3. headscarf will be allowed for lecturers at universities
4. headscarf will be allowed for teachers at public schools
5. headscarf will be allowed at secondary schools for students
6. headscarf will be allowed at primary schools for students. Imagine even one generation (10 years) kids growing with the religious education, all brain washed.
A few years ago I was a teacher in a school in Ankara and there comes this new maths teacher into the teachers room wearing a headscarf. We were all shocked and told her that she can't go into the classroom like that. She become mad and said she was a ring of a chain and would fight for their ideas and didn't care for the rules not even for the constitution. Off course she was reported and dismissed from the job.
7. weekend days will be changed to friday and saturday so it will include the holy friday.
8. Working hours will be changed according praying times.
9. Number of prayer rooms (mescit) will increase in official departments.
10. Islamic marriage (imam nikahı ) will become legal and equal to official marriage.
11. Polygamy will become legal. Already many of the AK party members have multiple wives.
12. Alcohol will be banned.
13. Wearing swimsuits will be banned for females.
14. Islamic police department will be established.
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I forgot to mention what would happen if the Islamists would get the presidency. The president has the power to assign presidents of all state universities and members of our central higher education administration. So everthing would be set to allow headscarf in universities. |
This is called intention reading.
- This government never told anything about headscarf.
- Noone can say that headscarfed people are 2nd class people.
- AKP is not an Islamist group exactly. If you say they were Islamist, you fail all the other Islam ideas.
- Any government cannot carry out your list even if they wanted. And I think you are talking as if we had never lived a military action before. Even a little action about headscarf, or alcohol ban, or Islamic any application like police, imam marriage, swimsuit, imam teacher etc. makes military move without asking anyone. Everyone knows it, this government know it, and you know it too. We know what Erbakan said. Erdoğan has never had radical speeches since they founded AKP. He always say: "We want peace, stability, trust, and a better Turkey" and many of the movements are this way. Maybe there were some individual talks of parliamenters, but they can't be said that "they want an Islamic system for Turkey". Look at the statistics, which government was so succesful in the last 50 years? Which government could show the defraudations of the previous sessions? Which government's Turkey has as much as this number of happy people?
I have no doubt that their claim is NOT an Islamic or religious administration. This is very clear that you are trying to make people be afraid of this government. Please be fair! Talk about their actions, but not mention the UNPERFORMED THINGS.
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02 May 2007 Wed 12:25 am |
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I agree that Erdogan has been OK as PM. But the hundreds of thousands of demonstrators proves that the people do not want to see him or Gul as President. And it also proves how much the people trust Buyukanıt.
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02 May 2007 Wed 12:28 am |
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Quoting erdinc: Many Islamic countries are hundreds of years behind civilization. In many Islamic countries females are considered like objects to be bought and sold. They have no rights at all. They have no right to chose the man they are going to marry, no right to vote, no right for inheritance, no right for modern education, no right to work, no right to chose where they live, no right to divorce (asking for divorce would be main reason for killing them).
In many Islamic countries even a cow is considered more valuable than girls. Females are not even counted as children of a family. In many of those countries if you ask a man how many children he has he might say five. This means he has five sons. They don't count the girls. Girls will be sold when they become 13.
Ottomans have ruled those countries for hundreds of years. Those are our neighbours. We have a responsibility in those lands to help our neighbours. We need to help them to become more modern.
For now let's solve our domestic problems but in the future we are going to help our neigbours. Don't worry, with time we'll fix them.
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İ wonder what do you mean by MANY İslamic countries?
And anxious to know how many of them have you actually visited,watch in TV,or even surfed the net watching their Pictures !
Anyway,info is there for who wants to know,not hard to get!
So you will help them and save them,and want them to become more modern ?!
Hmmm,only in Dubai ' city in the United Arab Emirates'there is a hotle got no similarity in the whole world !
But still you want to save them,then control them by telling them what to do,even what to wear !
Tell you something ?!
American Media is better
İts making a good job in a very short time and doesn't control them too
Better deal,,huh ? ohh God !lol
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02 May 2007 Wed 12:30 am |
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Comparing Dubai to typical Arab cities is ridiculous. Lets look at damascus, tehran, bahgdad, cairo, these kinds of cities for comparison.
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02 May 2007 Wed 12:34 am |
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Quoting KeithL: Comparing Dubai to typical Arab cities is ridiculous. Lets look at damascus, tehran, bahgdad, cairo, these kinds of cities for comparison. |
Dubai was not for comparison,Dubai was for the sentence 'we will help them to be modern'
And ok,i agree,lets talk about Cairo,although it will be off the topic here,but what about it ?
What he said can be applied on Cairo ?!!!
That is what i call it ridiculous!!!
We are an İslamic country because we have a Muslims majotity,but our law not set from İslam as in İran and Saudi Arabia,İslam is one of the sources,the other is the French law !
So you must define first what do you mean by İslamic country ?
Muslims or systems ?!
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