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Turkey cannot turn its back on democracy
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02 May 2007 Wed 02:03 am |
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They are dying for you. They are waiting your borders while you are scratching in your comfy bed.( you is not a person here, no offence) They have right to say something for their myrtyr's sake. Have some respect or do not go gallipoli for crying.
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02 May 2007 Wed 02:07 am |
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Islam has some issues with female sexuallity??!!
İ suggest you read about İslam erdinc before you discuss it!
From a reliable source i mean !
Of course its nature to be turned on,not bad,but bad not to control it,or else we'll be like animal !
And where do you want women to stand in this picture ?
Leave an empty desk and stand there behide the man ?!!
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02 May 2007 Wed 02:12 am |
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The desks on that picture are devided by sex as men's desk (bay veznesi) and womens desk (bayan veznesi). Not the poeple on that picture but the mayor of Istanbul led by AK party is doing wrong here.
This is a water payment desk of Istanbul council and is an official department.
You might think this is very normal but according their belive men and women need to be separated everywhere including classrooms. They want to start the separation in first class in primary schools.
Maybe those who claim to know a lot about other Islamic countries will tell us about their primary schools. Are girls and boys sitting mixed or not? Tell the truth.
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02 May 2007 Wed 02:13 am |
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Quoting CANLI: İt turned its back when army threated not when people talk
thats much difference catwoman. |
But Canli, people's demonstrations were supporting the army, they aren't opposing the army, but the government! Why are you so bothered that it's the 'army' threatening the government? Are we suddenly arguing over semantics here? It is really a weak argument, like there's nothing left to counter argue with. If you don't like the word 'army', then just look at the millions of people who are protesting. If it's the army that keeps secularism in Turkey, then be it!
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02 May 2007 Wed 02:15 am |
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Quoting CANLI:
aslı,the meaning of your sentence not nice really,and contain insult too.
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Let her say whatever she likes, Canli. Take it easy. We can give these two supposedly democracy and modernity warriors hell. Now just charge your charger, take aslı for yourself, and leave KeithL to me. Or vice versa! Hehe! For they both might find this the differentiation man-woman. Well, I take asli, and you take KeithL. This is surely much more modern and democratic, the furthest point in modernity and democracy at that, and maybe more fair. 
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02 May 2007 Wed 02:21 am |
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catwoman,what kind of system that would be then?ruled by 2 forces the governmet and the army ,watching over each other ?!
İf people dont want the governmet,then people dont choose it.
Army only lead war or revolutions and must be supported by people,or else it will fall down too!
So its in people hands,and its people's choice to have it the way they want,not the army supporting direction against another.
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02 May 2007 Wed 02:23 am |
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Quoting Quasimodo: Quoting CANLI:
aslı,the meaning of your sentence not nice really,and contain insult too.
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Let her say whatever she likes, Canli. Take it easy. We can give these two supposedly democracy and modernity warriors hell. Now just charge your charger, take aslı for yourself, and leave KeithL to me. Or vice versa! Hehe! For they both might find this the differentiation man-woman. Well, I take asli, and you take KeithL. This is surely much more modern and democratic, the furthest point in modernity and democracy at that, and maybe more fair. |
rotfl...Deal lol
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02 May 2007 Wed 02:25 am |
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Canlı,
In the Islamic countries you have been so far how were boys and girls sitting at primary schools? Where they sitting mixed or separated? I'm sure you are going to dance around this question and wont give any information.
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02 May 2007 Wed 02:29 am |
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Quoting erdinc:
Maybe those who claim to know a lot about other Islamic countries will tell us about their primary schools. Are girls and boys sitting mixed or not? Tell the truth. |
The truth is YES !
And my nephew who is 4 years old got a girl friend in his KG class as same as his brother who is 7 years old in Primary ,and after confincing from my side he convinced he shouldnt marry her because his father is paying him allowance,and he will wait till he works !
See? didn't i tell you Media is faster than you ?
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02 May 2007 Wed 02:32 am |
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Quoting erdinc: Quoting caliptrix: be fair! Talk about their actions, but not mention the UNPERFORMED THINGS. |
I'm talking about their actions. Let me explain two new terms to our foreign friends: 'haremlik' and 'selamlık'. The -lik is just a contructive suffix. Probably you understand harem and selam.
Haremlik-selamlık means that women are separated from men duing the event, meeting or whatever happens. Women go into one room and men into another room. I think I can show you hundred different examples of this practice carried by ak party members and supporters.
Women were separated from men and keep away in hospitals, council meetings, hotels, birthday parties, beach holiday and even cashier's desks. Look at this picture. You will see mens desk and womens desk. This is Istanbul and they are paying their water bills to councils pay desk.
Step by step they apply Islamic lifestyle to every possible occasion. |
Let's talk about now:
- they say: "haydi kızlar okula" "girls, come to school"
but look at what the same people do:"schools are forbidden covered girls"
- they say: "my mother has headscarf too"
and what they do: "strictly forbidden covered women in schools, in militarial areas, in many hospitals (that's a reality!), in all "kamusal alan" public areas. so, you say "no dilemma"?
- Let's talk the realities: in many towns of big cities, PEOPLE CAN'T GO TO MOSQUES WITHOUT BEING AFRAID! always we are in doubt if someone follows us because of writing us in a blacklist. or we cannot talk about religious sensibilities in publicity. Whenever I go to my university, I am afraid if someone knows about I dont drink alcohol because of my religion. I can't find easily a little room to pray because they (who are they? you know) never want us to be religious. this system made people enough UNRELIGIOUS. Don't defence that Turkey is religious or wants a religious system. I can accept that we are traditional, but never religious. ONLY because of some radicals, you cannot blame all religious people. But/and you still do that. Don't say that there are many radical people, or I would understand that you think all religious people are radical. There are not many "haremlik selamlık" places! I can't find one even though I live in a religious town.
Look at your seventh point, it is really very tragic-comic. If I thought that you were stupid, I would laugh. But I know you are very intelligent, so this is very clear that you speculate everything in worst way.
Your photo is also very manipulative. Can you tell me the number of the areas like your example? I can say the percentage must be only 1. You don't need to try hard to find them. You have to study much more in order to find a place like in your example. And yes, it can't be more, because there is the power of military still. Yes, military thinks like you, so don't be afraid. We fear enough because we are blamed for the things that we never did.
Quote: According religious customs females sexual attractiveness is something bad and needs to be hiden. The headscarf and veil is there to hide sexual charm. Those people have difficulty with sex in their mind. Once I had a friend who was a university student to become a dentist. He had a walkman and was listening to religious music when he was on the street because he was turned on by seeing girls on street wearing jeans. In his past religious eduaction in imam school they told him it was bad to get turned on and those girls were doing wrong of course. |
What's wrong with other's belief idea? Where is your secularism? Can't you stand the ideas of OTHERS?
Be in peace, although you don't think same as the others. We need more respect, not the complain.
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02 May 2007 Wed 02:33 am |
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Quoting CANLI: İf people dont want the governmet,then people dont choose it.
Army only lead war or revolutions and must be supported by people,or else it will fall down too! |
canli, the army IS supported by people, that's the point! and people DON'T want this government, that's why they are protesting! what are you talking about???
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