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Turkey cannot turn its back on democracy
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02 May 2007 Wed 01:19 am |
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We have gone off topic here.
New elections are coming in june. The people will speak. Turks will have their democracy.
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02 May 2007 Wed 01:27 am |
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Keithl, stop fighting with canlı and quasimodo. If they are capable to think like us, we would not having this argument at first place. They will learn that democracy is not a vehicle, it is an aim! Lets wait to the next election
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02 May 2007 Wed 01:31 am |
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Quoting KeithL: What about my egyptian colleagues not being able to join me in certain hotel restaurants? Is this the islamic freedom you are speaking of? |
KeithL,alcohol is forbidden in the 3 religions not just İslam.
Our Christian people dont accept it too,our church dont accept it,and dont accept when Christians drink it too.
And our governmet try to respect our believes.
Although,i doubt what kind of restaurant you are referring at ,
İ went to the Disco,and alcohol were serving there for who wants to drink Egyptians,or foreigners .
Before you ask, in Cairo.
And again,im not happy about it tho.
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02 May 2007 Wed 01:31 am |
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You are right aslı, my last post stated as such.
And not arguing I hope. Sharing and explaining ideas.
Except for Quasi. I'm willling to pass a law banning him from istanbul...
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02 May 2007 Wed 01:35 am |
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Quoting CANLI: Quoting KeithL: What about my egyptian colleagues not being able to join me in certain hotel restaurants? Is this the islamic freedom you are speaking of? |
KeithL,alcohol is forbidden in the 3 religions not just İslam.
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Canli, this is our point. We do not want to be governed by islamic law (or any religous law).
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02 May 2007 Wed 01:38 am |
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Quoting aslı: If they are capable to think like us, we would not having this argument at first place. |
aslı,the meaning of your sentence not nice really,and contain insult too.
We can argue ,we can debate,but there is a level of respect that we must not cross it!
İ will be mature enough and assume that you didnt use the right words,and you just meant that we dont see things same way you both see it,and that i can accept.
Everyone entitled to his opinion.
And i wish in no time you will confirm that !
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02 May 2007 Wed 01:42 am |
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Quoting caliptrix: be fair! Talk about their actions, but not mention the UNPERFORMED THINGS. |
I'm talking about their actions. Let me explain two new terms to our foreign friends: 'haremlik' and 'selamlık'. The -lik is just a contructive suffix. Probably you understand harem and selam.
Haremlik-selamlık means that women are separated from men during any event, meeting or whenever a community comes together.
This is even common practice in a neigbour family visit. Women go into one room and men into another room. I think I can show you hundreds different examples of this practice carried by AK party members and supporters in official departments.
Women were separated from men and keep away in hospitals, council meetings, hotels, birthday parties, beach holiday and even cashier's desks. Look at this picture. You will see mens desk and womens desk. This is Istanbul and they are paying their water bills to councils pay desk.
Step by step they apply Islamic lifestyle to every possible occasion.
According religious customs females sexual attractiveness is something bad and needs to be hiden. The headscarf and veil is there to hide sexual charm. Those people have difficulty with sex in their mind. Once I had a friend who was a university student to become a dentist. He had a walkman and was listening to religious music when he was on the street because he was turned on by seeing girls on street wearing jeans. In his past religious eduaction in imam school they told him it was bad to get turned on and those girls were doing wrong of course.
In general we can say that Islam has some issues with female sexuallity.
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02 May 2007 Wed 01:52 am |
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I really don't understand why the claim in the title of this thread is talking about Turkey turning its back on democracy! I thought that democracy is when people control the government (not the other way round) and protest when they don't like what the government is doing. That's exactly what Turkish people are doing right now and that's what democracy ought to be like. They proved that their democratic system is more mature then it might seem to be.
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02 May 2007 Wed 01:58 am |
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İt turned its back when army threated not when people talk
thats much difference catwoman.
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02 May 2007 Wed 02:01 am |
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Quoting erdinc: According religious customs females sexual attractiveness is something bad and needs to be hiden. The headscarf and veil is there to hide sexual charm. Those people have difficulty with sex in their mind. Once I had a friend who was a university student to become a dentist. He had a walkman and was listening to religious music when he was on the street because he was turned on by seeing girls on street wearing jeans. In his past religious eduaction in imam school they told him it was bad to get turned on and those girls were doing wrong of course.
In general we can say that Islam has some issues with female sexuallity. |
Of course, if a man gets turned on all the time even by jeans, he seriously needs help and needs to stop objectifying women (such behavior is a dictionary definition of being a pervert, which is pandemic these days). The real problem is that religions (not only Islam) blame women for men's sexual perversions, don't hold men responsible for their sexual assaults on women and justify men's sick behavior due to jealousy and insecurities when they are rejected by women. Women have a lot of power in their hands that men really want to control, otherwise, they will be very lonely. Of course, I'm not even talking about all the other ways of discriminating against women, not just sexual. You described it well in one of your previous posts.
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02 May 2007 Wed 02:03 am |
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They are dying for you. They are waiting your borders while you are scratching in your comfy bed.( you is not a person here, no offence) They have right to say something for their myrtyr's sake. Have some respect or do not go gallipoli for crying.
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