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20.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 17 Oct 2007 Wed 05:06 pm

When you post a very personal experience on a website and ask peoples opinion...that is what you are going to get. I was not trying to impose my beliefs on anyone, but the fact that someone can have 2 abortions in one year, I find truely offensive. If you think that preserving the feelings of people who have left themselves open for critisizm is more important than expressing an opinion regarding the murder of unborn children then I have to say this truely is a sick and twisted world we live in...

21.       Trudy
7887 posts
 17 Oct 2007 Wed 06:36 pm

Very harsh maybe but in my opinion abortion is not murder if the mother is in danger, deep trouble or when there is proof there will not be life of any quality for the unborn child (severe handicaps e.g.). But if you use abortion as just another way of birth control, well yes than it's murder for me too. A woman who does that is - again in my view! - very immature and irresponsible. I think Aenigma is right: such a woman should consider celebacy.

22.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 17 Oct 2007 Wed 06:56 pm

Quoting Trudy:

Very harsh maybe but in my opinion abortion is not murder if the mother is in danger, deep trouble or when there is proof there will not be life of any quality for the unborn child (severe handicaps e.g.). But if you use abortion as just another way of birth control, well yes than it's murder for me too. A woman who does that is - again in my view! - very immature and irresponsible. I think Aenigma is right: such a woman should consider celebacy.



Maybe my opinion is harsh but in my heart I can't condone it under any circumstances. Maybe I am not politically correct but that is my feeling. I absolutely agree with AEnigma, for some people, celebacy is the best option.

23.       Trudy
7887 posts
 17 Oct 2007 Wed 07:05 pm

Quoting Elisabeth:

Maybe my opinion is harsh but in my heart I can't condone it under any circumstances. Maybe I am not politically correct but that is my feeling. I absolutely agree with AEnigma, for some people, celebacy is the best option.



Any circumstances? Rape? Incest? A (genetic) disease with life expectation less than 2 years / a lot of pain for the child? Risk for the mother to die? It's not that in these cases I say 'ok, go ahead' as if it is nothing but I can imagine in these situations abortion is the least worse.

24.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 17 Oct 2007 Wed 07:09 pm

Quoting Trudy:

Quoting Elisabeth:

Maybe my opinion is harsh but in my heart I can't condone it under any circumstances. Maybe I am not politically correct but that is my feeling. I absolutely agree with AEnigma, for some people, celebacy is the best option.



Any circumstances? Rape? Incest? A (genetic) disease with life expectation less than 2 years / a lot of pain for the child? Risk for the mother to die? It's not that in these cases I say 'ok, go ahead' as if it is nothing but I can imagine in these situations abortion is the least worse.



Yes, Trudy, I mean ANY circumstance.

25.       teaschip
3870 posts
 17 Oct 2007 Wed 07:54 pm

Abortion, is definately a sensitive subject among people. I guess I'm having a hard time with the initial post. My question would be "Why in the world would you ever let a man tell you whether or not you can have the baby?" No offense to the fathers out there, but it is the womans right to have a baby. You really have no say in the matter. And to say that your boyfriend "made you" is even worse. What does this say about you? Does your boyfriend have that much power over you?

Another point and I know I sound harsh, but you obvisouly don't care about aborting a child if you have the nerve to announce it in a public forum. I think you would be a little more descrete or even embarrased by the situation. Having an abortion is not something you would want to announce to the world or be proud of. I do believe woman have rights, but I also think having an abortion would be a little humilating or even sad for you.

26.       catwoman
8933 posts
 18 Oct 2007 Thu 01:46 am

Quoting Elisabeth:

Yes, Trudy, I mean ANY circumstance.


Wow! That's quite fundamentalist!

27.       catwoman
8933 posts
 18 Oct 2007 Thu 01:47 am

Quoting teaschip1:

Abortion, is definately a sensitive subject among people. I guess I'm having a hard time with the initial post. My question would be "Why in the world would you ever let a man tell you whether or not you can have the baby?" No offense to the fathers out there, but it is the womans right to have a baby. You really have no say in the matter. And to say that your boyfriend "made you" is even worse. What does this say about you? Does your boyfriend have that much power over you?


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28.       alameda
3499 posts
 18 Oct 2007 Thu 05:13 am

“I have a problem understanding sumthings with the turkish culture. “

This has nothing to do with Turkish culture, but one man and one woman who are from different cultures. It would be similar if he were from from another place that is culturally different. Even when people from places like say, Germany and Spain get together, there can be problems.

“I have been dating a guy for almost 2 years now. Everything was great, i just got told how much he loves me and he would die for me. “

When he was in your environment, that was true. It's like when you are in water, you swim, but when he went home, he realized where he was from and where he was going. It's almost like he was drunk with you and got sober.

“Then this year i fell pregnant again, i did not even know i was. I really wanted the baby even if i lost him. He did also not want me to have the baby and i had a abortion, which has left me broken for life.....When he just dropped the bom on me and told me that we do not fit and we are playing with fire. Then he said he wants to still be with me, but one day he has to take a turkish woman as his wife. “

Now, as the reality of your and his basic fundamental values and goals, he realizes it won't work out. He obviously has great physical attraction and feelings for you, but he realizes you are not compatible. This type of love doesn't last the long run and can result in tragedy....as it has thus far. Having two abortions in such a short time does not bode well for the relationship. It is very hard on your body, and emotional well being. When you are pregnut, your hormones change, when you have an abortion, it disrupts the cycle, not to mention what it does to your body.

“Or is he playing me??? He is not muslim but alavetis. “

I don't think he is playing with you. He will probably does love you and will remember you all his life, but he realizes it won't work. If you try to stay together, it looks very bleak.

Alevi's are Muslim....

http://www.angelfire.com/az/rescon/ALEVI.html

29.       caliptrix
3055 posts
 18 Oct 2007 Thu 01:01 pm

Quoting alameda:

Alevi's are Muslim....

http://www.angelfire.com/az/rescon/ALEVI.html



Do you think that he cares his religion?

Islam doesn't allow sex before marriage, and many resources say that if the baby reaches his third month, you cannot abort him, because babies in the venter three months old have soul according to the Islam (so this is called "murder").

Everyone may make mistakes but the second and third mistakes sounds meaningless and I think he doesn't care muhc about the belief.

30.       portokal
2516 posts
 18 Oct 2007 Thu 01:45 pm

Quoting caliptrix:

Quoting alameda:

Alevi's are Muslim....

http://www.angelfire.com/az/rescon/ALEVI.html



Do you think that he cares his religion?

Islam doesn't allow sex before marriage, and many resources say that if the baby reaches his third month, you cannot abort him, because babies in the venter three months old have soul according to the Islam (so this is called 'murder').

Everyone may make mistakes but the second and third mistakes sounds meaningless and I think he doesn't care muhc about the belief.



Quoting Bathory:


He went home in July i few days after i got rid of the baby. I called him so much i missed him so much, but some how he seemed different. He came back after a month, he was not even back in Austria for 24 hours and i was just discussing what i felt for him. When he just dropped the bom on me and told me that we do not fit and we are playing with fire. Then he said he wants to still be with me, but one day he has to take a turkish woman as his wife. For so many months before that he told me it does not matter and if things work out he wants to marry me. I even spoke to his mother and his mother told me she loves me and calles me cane.



Maybe he cares about his religion. Or he cares about his family and it's traditions. As he was thinking to marry a turkish woman... Maybe he does not care so much for her. including here her religion, a possible marriage and even the children that are to be borned out of their relationship.

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