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Please explane why????
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18 Oct 2007 Thu 04:29 pm |
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Quoting portokal: Quoting ciko:
But but.. if i were God i would forgive them if they had valid reasons to do it |
If i were the church, i would say that you have just commited blasphemy!  |
Good point...but is he forgiven? 
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18 Oct 2007 Thu 04:31 pm |
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Quoting Elisabeth: Quoting portokal: Quoting ciko:
But but.. if i were God i would forgive them if they had valid reasons to do it |
If i were the church, i would say that you have just commited blasphemy! |
Good point...but is he forgiven? |
By God? By th church? By us?
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18 Oct 2007 Thu 04:33 pm |
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Quoting Elisabeth: Quoting ciko: Quoting Elisabeth: Quoting ciko: just curious... is abortion banned in Christianity and Jewishness as it is in Islam?  |
Abortion is banned by Catholics. I can't speak about other Christian sects or the Jewish religion, but it is not accepted at all, in any form by Catholics. |
But but.. if i were God i would forgive them if they had valid reasons to do it |
I think God forgives everyone who is genuinely sorry...but I still think we should try our best to avoid what is wrong. |
Not only abortion is banned by Catholicsm but also contraception except so called natural ways of family planning.Although recently there has been a split in attitude of some church authorities in some countries.In Spain for instance there was a debate over using condoms which led to the conclusion that they should be acceptable.Anyway as far as Catholicsm goes pre -marriage sex is also banned.
But as Elisabeth said if you confess and feel really sorry for your sins, you are given an excuse even in a case of abortion.
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18 Oct 2007 Thu 04:40 pm |
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But as Elisabeth said if you confess and feel really sorry for your sins, you are given an excuse even in a case of abortion. |
I don't want to get into Catholic doctrine, but the whole point of confession is to be forgiven and not to do it again. If you continue to do the same thing over and over why would you even bother going to confession? Why would you even care? But my views on abortion aren't related to my religion completely. For me it is deeply personal.
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18 Oct 2007 Thu 04:53 pm |
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Quoting ciko: just curious... is abortion banned in Christianity and Jewishness as it is in Islam? |
caliptrix says that you cant abort "child" after 3 months (according to islam), it seems not totally its banned in islam.
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18 Oct 2007 Thu 05:12 pm |
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Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting ciko: just curious... is abortion banned in Christianity and Jewishness as it is in Islam? |
caliptrix says that you cant abort "child" after 3 months (according to islam), it seems not totally its banned in islam. |
it is totally banned in islam. maybe he meant it is not healthy to do it after 3 months
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18 Oct 2007 Thu 05:14 pm |
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Quoting Elisabeth: Quoting portokal: Quoting ciko:
But but.. if i were God i would forgive them if they had valid reasons to do it |
If i were the church, i would say that you have just commited blasphemy! |
Good point...but is he forgiven? |
i think God is clever enough to understand it was a joke .. i love his sense of humor
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18 Oct 2007 Thu 05:18 pm |
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Quoting femme_fatal:
say what you say, murdering unborn children is definetly wrong! im not the righteous one to say so, but its my opinion.
theres morality in the society: dont kill, dont steal, dont lie, dont cheat on your wife/husband etc etc.
the moral is dont be a bitch! |
This is the problem with this debate people use such emotive language like 'murder' etc I happen not to see it that way. In my view the women is the priority seeing as she is the already existing person.
I never said you were not entitled to your opinion,i simply object when you force it on others.
I would also like to point out that i do not think having a termination is being a bitch.In fact i would go as far as to say to put it in such crude terms is to bring this subject matter down to the play ground games,calling each other names level etc. This topic is clearly something which deserves more repect than that.
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18 Oct 2007 Thu 05:32 pm |
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Whenever you talk about something like this, people are going to use strong language. I think it is far better and healthier to say what is on your mind instead of trying not to offend people. How are you supposed to say you feel abortion is murder in a way that doesn't sound harsh?
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18 Oct 2007 Thu 05:55 pm |
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Quoting Elisabeth: Whenever you talk about something like this, people are going to use strong language. I think it is far better and healthier to say what is on your mind instead of trying not to offend people. How are you supposed to say you feel abortion is murder in a way that doesn't sound harsh? |
I'm not arguing that people shouldn't hold the view that to have a termination is 'murder' because obviously we live in a society of free speech and it is to be expected that people will hold differing views however i have a problem with the language.Which is used in a way by anti abortion groups for example just to get a reaction and take away from the real issue which is fundamentally whos rights are to be more valued or put first those of the mother or those of the unborn child if one wishes to use that term.
I would argue that is it emotive and intentional reaction provocing again to say 'the baby this' or 'the child that' when in my view only at a certain point in gestation does the 'group of cells' become something more.
And by something more i mean a fetus that once born can survive outside the womb or the level of viability as it is sometimes called.Putting time limit on it is clearly very difficult because science is making new advances all the time.I personally think the limit at which abortions can be carried out in the UK legally currently should be lowered.It currently stands at 24 weeks and i think it should be lowered to 20 weeks.Some would still argue that it is still to late in the pregnancy to consider a termination. For example i think i am right in saying that the legal time limit is 12 weeks in most of Western Europe with the exeption of the UK.
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18 Oct 2007 Thu 06:12 pm |
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I do understand your point, To some degree you are right. When does a mass of "cells" become a "life"...but if you will for just one moment, think of it in other terms...when is a baby able to survive outside the womb? I have a 10 year old, he can't survive realistically without me. Do you think it is too late to change my mind..I have rights you know and he is really getting to be a bit of a pain.
Yes human life does start from a mass of cells but even from the very first cell division, there is a purpose and a genetic destiny for that "mass of cells". What would be a resonable time to say...ok, it is a human life therefore you can't have an abortion? I have ultrasound film of my son when I was 12 weeks pregnant. He already had arms, legs, hands, feet, there is brain activity and developement so there must be thought, maybe feelings however primal, a heartbeat. I think the ability to "survive outside of the womb" is probably not the best indicator or argument as to when an abortion should be deemed as inappropriate.
Of course, women should have rights to choose, but choose what? There is so much birth control available, so much education, so many people wanting to adopt, so many advances in medical science to help pregnant mothers who have health conditions, intra uterine surgery to correct so many genetic problems. I just think there are better choices. As humans we are better than this.
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