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Please explane why????
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18 Oct 2007 Thu 07:19 pm |
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Quoting Elisabeth: Quoting SERA_2005: I agree women who use abortion as a form of birth control are being very careless to put in mildley but i don't think condemnation is the answer,i think education is. I am sure if you show people how to use contraception and where to get it from then they would use it. Of course to stop themselves having problems with STI's as well as to stop being in the situation where they are facing the prospect of abortion because they do not want the child.No one WANTS to be in that position.It is a very difficult place to be in i imagine and i feel very strongly that is is not up to others to sit in judgement pointing the finger. |
I don't know how realistic it is to say not to judge people. We are all guilty of that, and in reality we are always judging situations and analyzing them from different perspectives. This forum is a good example of that. How you express your judgement is another story. You can do it in a way where you get your point across and it is constructive...or you can say it in a hurtful way where it is destructive. I always hope that my opinions give people another way of looking at things.
In saying that, I think this has been a very constructive forum. |
I agree with you here Elizabeth,i think its important that we all feel free enough here and in the rest of society to offer up our opinion what ever that may be without fear or being shot down. It is for precicely this reason that it sadens me when i see people who offer up their problem/situation in the hope of being offered help and support by other people only to find that they are condemed and hear words such as 'murder' being thrown around as if its appropriate to damn people so absolutely with having very little or no knowledge of the situation that is real for that person at that time.
Judgeing others is so easy but the real question is would we like others to sit there and judge us so harshly.I tend to think the answer is no and i only wish some people would take that into account when they consider themselves without a second thought 'holier than thou'.
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18 Oct 2007 Thu 07:33 pm |
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I know I have some very definate opinions and sometimes I think to myself...What a Dumbass this person is! but that's not what I would say on a public forum. I would search for a less "abrasive" way to state my point (which isn't always politically correct) but I do try to say it in a less acidic way. That's not to say I don't have very harsh judgements for people. It is hard to imagine putting such personal information on a website and not expecting some kind of reaction especially when they ask for opinions. You are right that some people go a little far but I also know a lot of them say what I am thinking...I just don't put it exactly the same way.
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18 Oct 2007 Thu 07:40 pm |
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Thats what i take issue with though,not what they are saying but they way in which they say it!
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18 Oct 2007 Thu 07:45 pm |
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Quoting SERA_2005: Thats what i take issue with though,not what they are saying but they way in which they say it! |
anladim!! and I agree!!  Let's have a toast!!
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18 Oct 2007 Thu 07:49 pm |
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Quoting ciko: just curious... is abortion banned in Christianity and Jewishness as it is in Islam?  |
From what I have been told, in Judism there is no prohibition on abortion if the health of the mother is compromised. A human soul/life does not begin until the fetus is born and breaths.
http://advocates.ppin.org/documents/rabbi_sasso_hps_testimony.pdf
There seems to be some fluidity in Christianity as there are quite a large variety from the Trinitarian/Nicean Creed to Unitarians.
In Islam I have have been told it's when the fetus looks like a human is when it takes on a human soul. That is around 3 months.
In Buddism it is when consciousness assertion of it's will is manifest.
http://www.bswa.org/audio/documents/WhenDoesLifeBegin.pdf
In case anyone is interested, I found these pictures of human embryo development.
http://embryology.med.unsw.edu.au/wwwhuman/Stages/Stages.htm
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18 Oct 2007 Thu 07:53 pm |
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Enjoyed the links, thanks Alameda.. 
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18 Oct 2007 Thu 07:58 pm |
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anladim!! and I agree!! Let's have a toast!! |
Ok lets toast why not!
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18 Oct 2007 Thu 08:21 pm |
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Quoting SERA_2005: Quoting femme_fatal:
say what you say, murdering unborn children is definetly wrong! im not the righteous one to say so, but its my opinion.
theres morality in the society: dont kill, dont steal, dont lie, dont cheat on your wife/husband etc etc.
the moral is dont be a bitch! |
This is the problem with this debate people use such emotive language like 'murder' etc I happen not to see it that way. In my view the women is the priority seeing as she is the already existing person.
I never said you were not entitled to your opinion,i simply object when you force it on others.
I would also like to point out that i do not think having a termination is being a bitch.In fact i would go as far as to say to put it in such crude terms is to bring this subject matter down to the play ground games,calling each other names level etc. This topic is clearly something which deserves more repect than that. |
terminate/abort is not to kill? you terminate someone's life and its still not a murder? does this word hurt you?
sorry for using harsh words, its tough to hear someone kills someone for the sake of "bitchy" love.
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18 Oct 2007 Thu 11:27 pm |
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Quoting SERA_2005:
Quoting femme_fatal: say what you say, murdering unborn children is definetly wrong! im not the righteous one to say so, but its my opinion.
theres morality in the society: dont kill, dont steal, dont lie, dont cheat on your wife/husband etc etc.
the moral is dont be a bitch! |
This is the problem with this debate people use such emotive language like 'murder' etc I happen not to see it that way. In my view the women is the priority seeing as she is the already existing person.
I never said you were not entitled to your opinion,i simply object when you force it on others.
I would also like to point out that i do not think having a termination is being a bitch.In fact i would go as far as to say to put it in such crude terms is to bring this subject matter down to the play ground games,calling each other names level etc. This topic is clearly something which deserves more repect than that. |
+1000000000 
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19 Oct 2007 Fri 12:43 am |
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Sadly, legalised abortion doesn't increase the number of abortions. Stories of backstreet abortionists in countries where it is not legal are horrific.
What I REALLY object to is multiple abortions. There is really NO EXCUSE for it. We have wonderful contraception methods and surely the trauma of one abortion would mean you would ensure you were protected in the future.
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19 Oct 2007 Fri 02:36 am |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Sadly, legalised abortion doesn't increase the number of abortions. Stories of backstreet abortionists in countries where it is not legal are horrific.
What I REALLY object to is multiple abortions. There is really NO EXCUSE for it. We have wonderful contraception methods and surely the trauma of one abortion would mean you would ensure you were protected in the future.
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damn right!even if sexual revolution of 60's brought this problem and demand for daily light it is still against the nature in my opinion>Trauma of abortion is terrible,if not right now after it ,it will occur later>Just a thought after talking to some women during psychotherapy who underwent it!The feeling of hopelesness,failure,lack of support from men's side and this tremendous feeling of guilt...may even lead to not enjoying sex any more!!!Gosh..we live in 21st century with all contraception benefits of it,if men think about their comfort..we THE WOMEN should think twice!!!!for men too!!!
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