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Please explane why????
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18 Oct 2007 Thu 01:45 pm |
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Quoting caliptrix: Quoting alameda: Alevi's are Muslim....
http://www.angelfire.com/az/rescon/ALEVI.html
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Do you think that he cares his religion?
Islam doesn't allow sex before marriage, and many resources say that if the baby reaches his third month, you cannot abort him, because babies in the venter three months old have soul according to the Islam (so this is called 'murder').
Everyone may make mistakes but the second and third mistakes sounds meaningless and I think he doesn't care muhc about the belief. |
Quoting Bathory:
He went home in July i few days after i got rid of the baby. I called him so much i missed him so much, but some how he seemed different. He came back after a month, he was not even back in Austria for 24 hours and i was just discussing what i felt for him. When he just dropped the bom on me and told me that we do not fit and we are playing with fire. Then he said he wants to still be with me, but one day he has to take a turkish woman as his wife. For so many months before that he told me it does not matter and if things work out he wants to marry me. I even spoke to his mother and his mother told me she loves me and calles me cane. |
Maybe he cares about his religion. Or he cares about his family and it's traditions. As he was thinking to marry a turkish woman... Maybe he does not care so much for her. including here her religion, a possible marriage and even the children that are to be borned out of their relationship.
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18 Oct 2007 Thu 01:51 pm |
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Quoting portokal: Quoting Bathory:
He went home in July i few days after i got rid of the baby. I called him so much i missed him so much, but some how he seemed different. He came back after a month, he was not even back in Austria for 24 hours and i was just discussing what i felt for him. When he just dropped the bom on me and told me that we do not fit and we are playing with fire. Then he said he wants to still be with me, but one day he has to take a turkish woman as his wife. For so many months before that he told me it does not matter and if things work out he wants to marry me. I even spoke to his mother and his mother told me she loves me and calles me cane. |
Maybe he cares about his religion. Or he cares about his family and it's traditions. As he was thinking to marry a turkish woman... Maybe he does not care so much for her. including here her religion, a possible marriage and even the children that are to be borned out of their relationship. |
It is not my business but I don't think so. tradition and religion are pretty much different things. If he cared being Alevi enough, he even did not think about abortion.
As I said, traditions are different from belief. Islam doesn't say "marry to a Turkish girl".
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18 Oct 2007 Thu 03:14 pm |
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Quoting caliptrix:
Quoting portokal:
Maybe he cares about his religion. Or he cares about his family and it's traditions. As he was thinking to marry a turkish woman... Maybe he does not care so much for her. including here her religion, a possible marriage and even the children that are to be borned out of their relationship. |
It is not my business but I don't think so. tradition and religion are pretty much different things. If he cared being Alevi enough, he even did not think about abortion.
As I said, traditions are different from belief. Islam doesn't say "marry to a Turkish girl". |
You responded to my first sentence, "maybe he cares about his religion".
Tradition can be different from religion... yet, as being part of a culture, both tradition and religion interfere. Usually religion determine traditions.
But it is not my intention to discuss a possible religious connection here, and shure not to prove one.
i just wonder what where his reasons to change his mind.
Quoting Bathory:
He went home in July i few days after i got rid of the baby. I called him so much i missed him so much, but some how he seemed different. He came back after a month, he was not even back in Austria for 24 hours and i was just discussing what i felt for him. When he just dropped the bom on me and told me that we do not fit and we are playing with fire. Then he said he wants to still be with me, but one day he has to take a turkish woman as his wife. For so many months before that he told me it does not matter and if things work out he wants to marry me. I even spoke to his mother and his mother told me she loves me and calles me cane. |
Just as the author of this topic also did.
Quoting Bathory: Please someone tell me. Honestly i need to know what is going on. I dont want to get hurt more. |
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18 Oct 2007 Thu 04:00 pm |
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Quote: Quoting SERA_2005:
What exactly is RIGHT about two abortions in one year? How can that be "correct" for anyone...? |
I did not nor would ever try to suggest what is morally RIGHT as you put it for another person.I believe in relativism and also happen to think that it is not up to others to sit in judgement of other people and their actions.Whether they may be right or wrong in your view is irrelivent here,the point is the situation presented itself and the best course of action was undertaken by the individual it was affecting at that time.We can only Judge ourselves and what is right for us in any given situation.Making a broad statement about what is 'right' or 'wrong' here as you put it is not going to change the fact that these set of circumstances made themselves known and they had to be dealt with,whether you agree with the outcome or not is unimportant in my view.You may disagree. |
say what you say, murdering unborn children is definetly wrong! im not the righteous one to say so, but its my opinion.
theres morality in the society: dont kill, dont steal, dont lie, dont cheat on your wife/husband etc etc.
the moral is dont be a bitch!
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18 Oct 2007 Thu 04:05 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting Elisabeth: Yes, Trudy, I mean ANY circumstance. |
Wow! That's quite fundamentalist!  |
While everyone is so busy trying not to offend people, someone has to stand up for unborn children. If that makes me a fundementalist, then I will take it as a compliment.
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18 Oct 2007 Thu 04:11 pm |
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just curious... is abortion banned in Christianity and Jewishness as it is in Islam? 
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18 Oct 2007 Thu 04:14 pm |
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Quoting ciko: just curious... is abortion banned in Christianity and Jewishness as it is in Islam? |
Abortion is banned by Catholics. I can't speak about other Christian sects or the Jewish religion, but it is not accepted at all, in any form by Catholics.
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18 Oct 2007 Thu 04:16 pm |
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Quoting Elisabeth: Quoting ciko: just curious... is abortion banned in Christianity and Jewishness as it is in Islam? |
Abortion is banned by Catholics. I can't speak about other Christian sects or the Jewish religion, but it is not accepted at all, in any form by Catholics. |
But but.. if i were God i would forgive them if they had valid reasons to do it
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18 Oct 2007 Thu 04:19 pm |
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Quoting ciko: Quoting Elisabeth: Quoting ciko: just curious... is abortion banned in Christianity and Jewishness as it is in Islam? |
Abortion is banned by Catholics. I can't speak about other Christian sects or the Jewish religion, but it is not accepted at all, in any form by Catholics. |
But but.. if i were God i would forgive them if they had valid reasons to do it |
I think God forgives everyone who is genuinely sorry...but I still think we should try our best to avoid what is wrong.
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18 Oct 2007 Thu 04:25 pm |
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Quoting ciko:
But but.. if i were God i would forgive them if they had valid reasons to do it |
If i were the church, i would say that you have just commited blasphemy! 
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18 Oct 2007 Thu 04:29 pm |
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Quoting portokal: Quoting ciko:
But but.. if i were God i would forgive them if they had valid reasons to do it |
If i were the church, i would say that you have just commited blasphemy! |
Good point...but is he forgiven? 
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