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Thread: turkish piece of paper

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Umut_Umut
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19 Nov 2007 Mon 12:44 am

Quoting Deli_kizin:

Quoting Umut_Umut:

Why are you debating on a belief Apha. Its needless.

Sen de bu tartışmaya katılmışsın ama

Its always good to talk about ones beliefs and learn others. Ama birbirmimize karşı aÃ§ık olmalıyız, bir de kendimize aÃ§ık olmalıyız. İnsan bazen yanlış şeylere inanıyor.

Ben dine karşı değilim, ama kesinlikle dinin yanında da değilim. Allah iyi bir tanrıysa, ben iyi bir yaşam yaşıyorsam, ne gerek var ki. Ama yine de, sizin dininiz de sizin aÃ§ınızdan anlayıp Ã¶ğrenmek istiyorum. Bu kadar

Ben yalnızca inancıma karşı terbiyesizlik edildiği iÃ§in katıldım. Ve o kişiden saygılı olmasını rica ettim.

Thread: turkish piece of paper

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Umut_Umut
485 posts

19 Nov 2007 Mon 12:44 am

I think you took me wrong.

I meant Islam by saying belief.

Anyway you all have a nice night.

Thread: Please help with these verbs and their objects!

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Umut_Umut
485 posts

19 Nov 2007 Mon 12:42 am

Deli_kizin i am not sure if you checked it already. I just want to remind. see you

Thread: turkish piece of paper

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Umut_Umut
485 posts

19 Nov 2007 Mon 12:37 am

Why are you debating on a belief Apha. Its needless. Give it up. Focus on your things which are more important. Dont waste your special time

In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
Say: O unbelievers!
I do not serve that which you serve,
Nor do you serve Him Whom I serve.
Nor am I going to serve that which you serve,
Nor are you going to serve Him Whom I serve.
You shall have YOUR religion and I shall have MY religion.

Just that.

Thread: turkish piece of paper

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Umut_Umut
485 posts

19 Nov 2007 Mon 12:11 am

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting Umut_Umut:

Look first you have to know that. I dont have to prove something. I just believe islam and i dont care the others. I wont debate you on those things. Cos its not my aim. I said i dont care if you believe or not.

I wrote something cos you were saying unrespectful things. You cant say or you musnt say or you should not say. Choose one of them. But just be respectful.

You dont need to attack. I wont give up islam or convert to other religion and you wont revert to islam. So its just nonsense debate. You should see it. Give up your rancour.

Okay? I want just RESPECT. Just this. No more.

umut, im totally entitled to express myself (im not a citizen of western country who are not allowed to speak theis minds), and to my mind islam is irrespectful to women and all human beings! and im just telling of what i think of islam.
and its not my fault that your religion is barbaric.
sorry, i cant respect it. if i tolerate your religion it means i have to give up my morales. which i cant do.

You can tell them in a nice and cultured way. You can think whatever you want. I can do nothing. And you can say what ever you want. I wont stick your mouth with sticky tape. But
if being respectful is your cultural thing (that shows if you are barbaric or not). Pls put it into practice. Otherwise you wont be consistent. And you can live in the west or east, no difference.

I understood that you did those things to be happy and cos you cant give up your morales. That means just you is important to you. That means you dont care the others. Did you think about my happiness and morale?

I comment on the barbarian thing before.

Thread: turkish piece of paper

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Umut_Umut
485 posts

18 Nov 2007 Sun 11:58 pm

Thread: Bird Houses attached to Mosques

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Umut_Umut
485 posts

18 Nov 2007 Sun 11:42 pm

They built those palaces cos they were carrying about animals. Just that. They are not holy at all Just shows how respectful they are to the animals.

Thread: turkish piece of paper

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Umut_Umut
485 posts

18 Nov 2007 Sun 11:38 pm

Islam brought radical changes regarding women and society, despite the deeply entrenched patriarchy of seventh-century Arabia. The Qurâ€™an provides women with explicit rights to inheritance, independent property, divorce and the right to testify in a court of law. It prohibits wanton violence towards women and girls and is against duress in marriage and community affairs. Women and men equally are required to fulfill all religious duties, and are equally eligible for punishment for misdemeanors. Finally, women are offered the ultimate boon: paradise and proximity to Allah: â€˜Whoever does an atomâ€™s weight of good, whether male or female, and is a believer, all such shall enter into Paradiseâ€™ (Q 40:4.

In the period immediately following the death of the Prophet, women were active participants at all levels of community affairs â€” religious, political, social, educational, intellectual. They played key roles in preserving traditions, disseminating knowledge and challenging authority when it went against their understanding of the Qurâ€™an or the prophetic legacy.

Thread: turkish piece of paper

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Umut_Umut
485 posts

18 Nov 2007 Sun 11:36 pm

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting thehandsom:

I am sorry but something is not right what you are saying Femme.
This is a direct attack to a religion. If I were you, I would remove it.
You sound like, you are as fanatical as the guys who are responsible of Malatya trajedy. Just happens to be your religion is different!!

sorry, it happens so, handsome, i dont remove my posts.
because what i say is what i say, i can only regret, but you cant change the words you have already expressed.
and you are right im fanatical, i got tired of omega and alameda. and today im expresing my opinion as a postreply, and im entitled to speak so about a barbarian religion that have been destroying thelives of millions esp women. as a woman i can see that, but you dont see it, because men have preveliges in islam, and probably this religion doesnt hurt you as much as it hurts women. interestin that you see me insulting and you dont see them insulting.

You show your brain and wisdom.

Thanks.

Barbarian hmmm i am used to that word. Especially the people who have no culture accuse others as a barbarian. Cos they have to be happy.

First there is a surah called Nisa(Women) in Kuran. And there is no surah called Men. Surely women have big rights . Who have to persuade you. You can think whatever you want. But there is just one think. YOU HAVE TO BE RESPECTFUL if you are human and if you are not barbarian. If you dont know I can teach it as a barbarian.

Thread: turkish piece of paper

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Umut_Umut
485 posts

18 Nov 2007 Sun 11:29 pm

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting Umut_Umut:

femme_fatal do you know what islam means? ???

And how can you dare to imply islamic terrorism. Its not fair you know. Terrorism has no religion and nation. I am a muslim and my religion doesnt say go and kill innocents.

Try to be more careful and respectful. Please...

try to be more careful pls? why? are you threating me?

umut, as for innocense of islam, do you want me quote qoran or will you just sit quiet?

I am not threating you. You know its not our way. Maybe you know how to do it but i dont know. I just said please if you know what does please means? I am not sure. I just wanted respect and it was natural.

I remember one ayet. If you believe or not who cares.

Surah Kehf /74
Bismillahirrahmanirrahim
So they went on until, when they met a boy, he slew him. (Musa) said: Have you slain an innocent person otherwise than for manslaughter? Certainly you have done an evil thing.

By the way may you show me anything that order terrorism?

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