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gorcvet,
Why do you still insist that we've raised surrounded with a limiting doctrine ?
Why don't you simply accept that we actually had the choice and we've made it ?
İslam said to wear Hijab at almost the age 15 yrs old ''for reasons,not place here to discuss it'',most women here who wear Hijab started to wear it after 20th or 30th,or later,including me,i did at 20th, didn't that means we had the choice not to wear it for a long time,and when they wanted to wear it they did ?
Even we know we should wear it,but we choose not to ?' and i'm not much proud of that tho'
Part of my family live in the West,i don't see they are enjoying more freedom than i am enjoying it here already
So as you see i can judge too
At least i can choose to wear whatever i want,and walk in the street without being rejected for what i wear,if wearing Hijab or whatever
İ can attend to schools,Universities,any place,without a privious judgment upon me for what i wear,or interfer with my personal choice,and order me arround about what i wear!
Excuse me,but that i call it freedom to do whatever you want without effecting other people
And yes,i agree lots of Muslim women in Egypt wear viel,but that was their choice,not forced upon them, they just want to obey ALLAH,and you cann't really argue with them about that
You said you've been to Egypt,you said,you have not got the impression that women there are exactly free from wearing hijab,have you really stopped vieled women at the streets and asked them if they were forced to wear Hijab or not ?
The freedom,is available for women at all classes,upper class or lower one,
Egyptian women are a very strong women among most women,not only by choice,but forced upon us to become strong too
That is cause of the long history of wars which forced on our country,so men were not there to take the responsibility at those times,so women had to take it over
Do you think with such women,anyone could force a simple thing like covering a head,her own head upon her ? UNLESS,UNLESS,she really want to wear it too ?
As i said at my early post,there are some which suffer from bad treatments of men ,but that is not only in Egypt,or Muslim world too, that is all over the world
There are some kind of men,weak men i must add,trying to control,and take over women,mentally,and sometimes physically too
The term Wives abuse,is well known at the Western world too,and you can read statistics about that
You are asking me how many women do i know that have rejected the veil and not been prosecuted by their families, neighbors, societies?
How about my cousins ? How about my late aunt,ALLAH rest her soul,
And i just want to hint,late aunt,means she was really old woman,and still were not wearing Hijab ,or viel,
İt was her choice and she made it too
How about lots of friends,neighbors arround me ?
How about normal people walking in the streets ?
how about MY MOTHER aunts,who wear the scarf at the age of 60 ???
We all have the freedom,and definitely without a question,we have the freedom to wear a scarf or not,after all it is our own head which we cover it or not
İ agree with you,Women in Egypt WERE invisible and veiled ,
But that was in the 30th of the late century,and i don't think you were here in this period of time
At this time really women were invisible and veiled,but then came the 60th,and at this time you wouldn't find a woman here in Egypt wearing Hijab except maybe in the country,on the contrary,they were wearing mini skirts,micro skirts and bikinis...ect
And, yesss,i know lots of them and saw their pictures too
İ wasnn't there at 60th to see with my own eyes,,lol
And now lots of women wear viel,along with others wearing bikinis, as you can see,it was,and still their choice and they've took it through the years
Another thing,i didn't say there is not real Islam in these countries and people are mislead,
İ cann't make that kind of judgment
But,if i say covering the face,and wearing black clothes not written in Quran ,that's i am sure of
And dare anyone to say otherwise
And about being mislead, well i don't think really for anyone who know how to read there could be such an action,misleading i mean
Because knowledge are in the books
İ'm not even saying TV,satellite or what ever,so you would say upper class,but simply the books
And as for İslam, there is Quran,and who want to know his,or her duties,her rights,or his rights,simply can read Quran
But what is happening in other countries,i call it Traditions,Political circumstances,social circumstances,whatever,but not İslam
That is the main point here,to separate between what is happening in some countries,and between how İslam rules
This part of your post ' but than please explain how come in most of the Muslim world women are covered and live miserable lives deprived of many freedoms and rights enjoyed by women in the west '
İ agree with some,and disagree with some,
İt is not happening of most of Muslim world,but again there are some places, where women live miserable lives deprived of many freedoms and rights enjoyed by women in the west
But i guess the reason for that,not religious reasons,but more political reasons
And that is another story !
You are talking about women enjoying freedom in the west,i agree
But,how about Muslims women,how much freedom do they enjoy in the west ?
Before talking about freedom,give it first then talk about it !
Thx
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