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Thread: Norway does it again

901.       alameda
3499 posts
 21 Jan 2010 Thu 10:02 pm

Yes, it is depressing to think one who suffered oppression and abuse can become an oppressors & abuseors, but it happens.  On the other hand, not all, or even a majority do, so cheer up.

 

I think too much focus is on who perpetuates it.  It actually re-victimizes the oppressed and abused.

 

Most of humanity is compassionate.

 

 

 

Quoting catwoman

When I think of human history, one thing that disturbs me badly is when I see a group of people who has been terribly oppressed at one time, and that groups becomes just as bad of oppressors themselves at another point in time. ....................

 

Couple famous quotes come to mind..

"In situation of oppression, those who remain neutral take the side of the oppressor." (Desmond Tutu)

 

 



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Thread: Two pennies for your thoughts ....!!

902.       alameda
3499 posts
 21 Jan 2010 Thu 06:54 pm

 

Quoting vineyards

Lemon:

A few decades back, Turkey used to be a lot poorer than it is today. The country faced a series of catastrophies that began with the decline and the eventual collapse of the Ottoman Empire.

Turkey had to wage an unbelievably expensive war on dozens of fronts in a geography ranging from The Caucasus to North Africa. When everything was over, there was an Anatolia invaded by the British, French and Italian soldiers.

 

The road to the collapse of the empire began in the Balkans with the spread of the nationalist sentiment. You remember Lord Byron, Lawrence of Arabia etc. Turkish republic was founded on a similar nationalistic principles. The roots of Turkishness were sawn during that period. All the major events of the period including the alleged massacre of the Armenians can be linked to this nationalist upheaval.

 

We are talking about a staggering poverty, pain and unbearable sufferings which constituted the basis of ethnic awareness. The political machine that created this movement made sure that this nationalistic upheaval must be limited to the exact borders of the Ottoman Empire. We would observe years later during the collapse of the Soviet Empire that such things can be planned beforehand and with staggering precision.

 

 

 

 

I had some friends (now passed on) who survived that period.  They told me they used to collect animal dung to sift through, in the hope of finding grain, seeds or beans to salvage. 

 

Very little is understood about this period.  How many connect the Great Influenza Epidemic to that period?  The Russian Revolution.....



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Thread: Mongolia to import 20.000 males from Turkey

903.       alameda
3499 posts
 21 Jan 2010 Thu 06:22 pm

 

Quoting Yersu

Here is the link (Turkish):

 

http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/ekonomi/13540806.asp?gid=229

 

The article says that Mongolia has a population problem and women far outnumber men. Moreover majority of the male population seems to have alcoholism problem which hurts the economy. They want 20.000 Turkish males to balance the men/women ratio and also they think hardworking Turkish males will knock some sense into Mongolian men. As for why they have chosen Turkey; the article tells that Mongolians regard Turks as their 3rd neighbors, because of historical connections. A  council will be arriving next month to discuss the issue.

 

{#emotions_dlg.nargile}

 

interesting....I wasn´t able to find any other articles regarding this matter in English.

 

It seems they are interested in the Turkic aspect of Turkish males....but many Turks are not Turkic, what about that? How about 20,000 Laz, Kurds, Zaza.........

 

Given the expense of finding a bride, this sounds like a great alternative for some. I guess the men would have to take up residence in Mongolia, or could one go there, get a bride and go back home?

 

..........so many details to work out!



Thread: ALL-TIME BEST NOVELS

904.       alameda
3499 posts
 21 Jan 2010 Thu 04:36 am

 

Quoting yilgun-2010

For Alameda:

 

Thank  you very much for your  review.

I have never read any novel on Chinese or Japanese  literature-novel or story-.

You are right, because we are always interested in Turkish and Western Novelists.

I have no any knowledge about Japanese or Chinese literature and novelists.

My university branch is engineering but “ Literature and books” is my hobby.

This list show my favorite “all time novels” for “novel readers” as a recommendation.

I don’t like todays novels in general; in my opinion, they are not impressive and high in quality.

For examplean Brown:

Brown writes novels based on science like a real historic document.

But he is of course a good writer.His novels are very good for movie.Because he is a good historian at the same time.

I think the others novelist write average novels, not top level; but repetition novels.

 

I think they seem not the best level, not high in quality

I think sometimes the art of novel has died : Technology Century.

This is my opinion.

 

By the way, I shall look for any Japanese or Chinese novel like the novel “The Tale of Gengi”  By Lady Murasaki,  here in Ankara, İzmir and İstanbul.

But I would love to read “Tale of Gengi” especially someday.

Thank you again.

 

P.S.

The Tale of Genji (, Genji Monogatari?) is a classic work of Japanese literature

attributed to the Japanese noblewoman Murasaki Shikibu in the early eleventh

century, around the peak of the Heian Period. It is sometimes called the

world´s first novel, the first modern novel, the first psychological novel or the

first novel still to be considered a classic, though this issue is a matter of

debate.

 

 

 

You may want to try The Pillow Book by Sei Shonagon, a lady of the Imperial court.   It was written during Japan´s Heian period.  It´s a delightful book on her impressions and thoughts on life and events.  She wrote it before going to sleep.  It give you a glimpse into how life was at that time.  It is not a large book and the way it was written makes it a easy and pretty fast read.

 

You can read some of it here.

 

This book is a good introdction to Japanese literature



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Thread: 2012, MEXICO and MAYA’S PREDICTION

905.       alameda
3499 posts
 21 Jan 2010 Thu 02:57 am

 

Quoting Elisabeth

Well, I think it is obvious that the world will end someday.  It is the natural order of the universe.  I don´t think you need to be a scientist, prophet or shaman of the Mayan people to come to this conclusion.  All of this 2012 business is taken from a Mayan codex that may or may not indicated that the world will end on December 21, 2012.  However, what many people don´t realize is when missionaries came to the "New World" there were hundreds of Mayan codexes.  Missionaries trying to convert the natives destroyed many of these ancient documents.  What we are left with is a scant few.  Nobody knows what was on the codexes that were destroyed.  Any information that we have today about what Mayans believed is just a fraction of what existed.  The Mayans that still exist today have been, for the most part, assimilated into western culture.  With that said, I think that much of Mayan civilization is still a mystery.

 

Actually, Elisabeth, there are still Mayas who don´t even speak Spanish.  They have very little to do with others.  The other day  I passed a group who were speaking a strange language, it was clicky sounding.  It turns out they were a group of Mayas and were speaking Maya.  Quite beautiful peope.  It was a whole family here looking for work. I almost hired them, but thought against it.

 



Thread: ALL-TIME BEST NOVELS

906.       alameda
3499 posts
 21 Jan 2010 Thu 02:03 am

 

Quoting yilgun-2010

ALL-TİME BEST NOVELS  15

For novel readers

1- Victor HUGO :  Les Miserables 

2- Fyoder DOSTOYEVSKY : Crime and Punishment    

3-Leo TOLSTOY :  War and Peace

4-James JOYCE :  Ulysses

 

Yilgun,

 

I notice the books mentioned here, with the exeption of Yaşar Kemal, are all Western novelists.  Have you never read any of the great works by, for example, Lady Murasaki´s Tale of Gengi? It is considered to be the first true novel, and it was written by a woman.



Thread: the non-xenofoob thread!

907.       alameda
3499 posts
 20 Jan 2010 Wed 11:30 pm

 

Quoting cedars

 

 

In Utah state one can take the knowledge test (written) either in english or spanish.  

One can also ask for the pictures/sketches version. So basically even if you dont speak/read english you can answer the questions by choosing the right picture.

 

This was the case in early 90s but I dont know if the test has changed since.

So based on this I might say that  mormons are not xenophobic

 

 

Not in California....there are a limited amount of languages available, Turkish is not one of them.  If the language you read and speak is not one of them, you have to learn English to take the test.  Even then, if you are not a citizen you have to wait a looooong looooong time to get your actual license.  Maybe it´s changed, in the late 90s due to prop 187, any immigrant, even a green card holder (Permanent Resident), had up to a year to wait for a real drivers license, even if they already had one from another state.



Thread: Where is this?

908.       alameda
3499 posts
 20 Jan 2010 Wed 11:01 pm

 

 

Yes, it appears it´s very close to Georgia.  It looks very  beautiful, doesn´t it? It also looks cold.  Is it a peaceful area, or not.

 

It seems to be close to Kars.



Thread: Where is this?

909.       alameda
3499 posts
 20 Jan 2010 Wed 10:25 pm

I love the photos of Turkey here.  Often times I´ll use a photograph as a starting place to look up information about an area. 

 

This beautiful photo passed by and I am curious where it is.  Does anyone know?

 

It says Shalter

 

Is that a the correct spelling? Where is it? It looks like a very high altitude, is it?



Thread: Norway does it again

910.       alameda
3499 posts
 20 Jan 2010 Wed 05:20 pm

 

Quoting vineyards

 

 

I don´t know what is your understanding of humanism is. Can you clarify this point?

 

 

 

Maybe that would be a nice new thread, as that is a very deep subject that can digress even more than this one?

 

It would be interesting to expore the xenophobic aspect of cultures, don´t you think?  Aren´t humans actually tribal in nature?



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