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Thread: Kara Toprak

921.       alameda
3499 posts
 17 Jan 2010 Sun 09:19 pm

Wonderful explanation si++....I found this of Aşık Veysel singing Kara Toprak

 

Here is a spoken word version that is easier to hear each word spoken.

 

Going with the Kara theme....how about Karagöz as in the shadow puppets?  Is there a deeper meaning to the name?

 

Quoting si++

 

 

I´ll come to the "toprak" part which requires more explaination. But first let me explain "kara" first. Literally it means black but we have another word for black which is "siyah" from Arabic. There is some difference between "siyah" and "kara" in usage. "Siyah" is used usually for concrete things while "kara" for abstract ones.
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All these aspects are described in the "Kara Toprak" poem of our great "ozan" (means poet) Aşık Veysel. Unfortunately I couldn´t find it among the translated poems in this site. And it would require a good effort to do it here, so I only quote it below

Kara Toprak by Aşık Veysel Şatıroğlu
Dost dost diye nicesine sarıldım
Benim sadık yarim kara topraktır
Beyhude dolandım boşa yoruldum
Benim sadık yarim kara topraktır

Nice güzellere bağlandım kaldım
Ne bir vefa gördüm ne fayda buldum
Her türlü isteğim topraklan aldım
Benim sadık yarim kara topraktır

Koyun verdi kuzu verdi süt verdi
Yemek verdi ekmek verdi et verdi
Kazma ile döğmeyince kıt verdi
Benim sadık yarim kara topraktır

Adem´den bu deme neslim getirdi
Bana türlü türlü meyve getirdi
Her gün beni tepesinde götürdü
Benim sadık yarim kara topraktır

Karnın yardım kazmayınan bel inen
Yüzün yırttım tırnağınan elinen
Gene beni karşıladı gülünen
Benim sadık yarim kara topraktır

İşkence yaptıkça bana gülerdi
Bunda yalan yoktur herkes de gördü
Bir çekirdek verdim dört bostan verdi
Benim sadık yarim kara topraktır

Havaya bakarsam hava alırım
Toprağa bakarsam dua alırım
Topraktan ayrılsam nerde kalırım
Benim sadık yarim kara topraktır

Dileğin var ise iste Allah´tan
Almak için uzak gitme topraktan
Cömertlik toprağa verilmiş haktan
Benim sadık yarim kara topraktır

Hakikat ararsan açık bir nokta
Allah kula yakın kul da Allah´ta
Hakkın gizli hazinesi toprakta
Benim sadık yarim kara topraktır

Bütün kus´rumuzu toprak gizliyor
Merhem çalıp yaralarım düzlüyor
Kclun açmış yollarımı gözlüyor
Benim sadık yarim kara topraktır

Her kim ki olursa bu sırra mazhar
Dünyaya bırakır ölmez bir eser
Gün gelir Veysel´i bağrına basar
Benim sadık yarim kara topraktır


 

 



Edited (1/17/2010) by alameda [correct character insertion]



Thread: Kaymak of Ismailkoy

922.       alameda
3499 posts
 17 Jan 2010 Sun 10:19 am

I think one would need to be rather brave to milk one of these.....big horns and a big animal...I wonder if they are docile?

Quoting ReyhanL

We had this animals in my Romania. We call them "bivol"

 

 



Thread: Gelatine in Turkey?

923.       alameda
3499 posts
 17 Jan 2010 Sun 10:08 am

 

Quoting bugece

True, gelatin is from pig, so therefore forbidden in Islam.  Which also explains why my BF never had a marshmallow!  We bought some the other day, then in a flash of panic as he went to eat one, I said: WAIT!  We checked the ingredients... gelatin!{#emotions_dlg.head_bang}

 

No more Rice Krispie treats for me, I guess...  Small price to pay for love!{#emotions_dlg.love}

 

Actually, true gelatine can be from any animal.  Kosher and Halal gelatine are available also.  Great Lakes is a famous Kosher gelatine.  Kosher is more readily available in the US than Halal, although there are also halal gelatines too.  You can check to see if there is kosher mark  or Halal mark on the package. It seems Halal certification is still being standardized, but it is usually the Arabic letters saying Halal. Halal

 

I have both Kosher and Halal marshmellows right here......great in hot chocolate.

 

An alternative are some of the seaweed products that set up like gelatine.  There are many halal jellos from Pakistan that are also certified vegetarian and use no animal products.  Agar agar sets up like jello, but is not animal product.  Sometimes tapoica or carrageenan are also used.

 

This page has a lot of links to amazing agar agar creations from Malaysia. The links start in the middle of the page....with the words feast your eyes....

 

look here....and here  these are really works of art.



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Thread: Kaymak of Ismailkoy

924.       alameda
3499 posts
 16 Jan 2010 Sat 03:26 am

 

Quoting scalpel

 

 

The best kaymak comes from water buffalo. (Not only the best kaymak, but also the best cheese and yogurt ).It is often used with such desserts as baklava, kadayıf, etc...and,of course, in breakfast, with honey.

The water buffalo has many names in Turkish: manda, camız, camış, kömüş. 

 

That is what it would appear.  In reading that article I´m very curious to try it.  I´m not particularly fond of cow milk products, I much prefer sheep or goat...never had a chance to try water buffalo, but it sounds very promising.....I´ve had kadayif....ummm...so nice........it must be heavenly with water buffalo kaymak. {#emotions_dlg.rolleyes}

 

I have some friends from Afghanistan who have a business making foods for that community.  They served something to me the other day that was sort of a soup/porridge. It had circles of kaymak on it. They make their own kaymak.  This particular one was sour. I only found it was kaymak when I questioned them as to the ingredients....and they mentioned kaymak.



Thread: Kaymak of Ismailkoy

925.       alameda
3499 posts
 16 Jan 2010 Sat 03:10 am

 

Quoting vineyards

I was in Afyon about a year ago. Our host offered us Afyon kaymak whTich he said should be eaten fresh. For that reason, it is not possible to take kaymak with you in a car. It quickly becomes oxidized and loses its unique taste.

 

Some people mix it with honey and some eat it straight.

 

Hmmm....interesting.  There seems to be many different types of kaymak.  I knew some people from Turkey who longed for it.  It has sort of taken on mythical properties in my mind.  I have had a couple of different types, but the Afyon one sounds interesting. 

 

kaymak



Thread: Kaymak of Ismailkoy

926.       alameda
3499 posts
 16 Jan 2010 Sat 02:14 am

Hmmm....doesn´t anyone here eat kaymak?  If so, I´m curious about how you use it and what animal it comes from.  Sheep, goat, cow....?



Thread: Kara Toprak

927.       alameda
3499 posts
 15 Jan 2010 Fri 11:45 pm

 

Quoting ReyhanL

kara toprak= black soil, chernozem

Böyle yazmışsa= IF its written so        -my try

 

I think there is something missing here.  Kara toprak in the literal sense does mean black soil, but this is poetry, not common language.  There is a special significance to Black Earth.  It is also called black gold as it is considered black earth/soil is particularly fertile.



Thread: Kaymak of Ismailkoy

928.       alameda
3499 posts
 15 Jan 2010 Fri 08:20 am

I´ve been curious about traditional Turkish food.  Food that is that has not been touched by industrialization and Westernization.  I´ve heard about kaymak for years....and have tasted a few different types.  Next time I get to Turkey I will have to find this kaymak.

 

The best kaymak of all


Ismailkoy is a village of 600 inhabitants a few kilometers from Afyon. It has always been a poppy-growing village and even today, is the one which is most determined to keep it, refusing to switch to crops, such as sugar beet and vegetables in general. Each year, the Turkish authorities decide the extent and location of the areas for poppy cultivation. The cultivation zones and farmers involved change every year. Poppies are a crop that requires little attention or expense, and there is little risk. The seeds are planted in September and the plants flower from April to May with little irrigation and no treatment. Poppies are hardy, surviving Anatolia’s hot dry climate well, even if the yield of oil from seeds is reduced in years of drought. The only activity required of the farmers, apart from watering and fertilizing the ground, is to thin them out when the flowers grow too thickly. The poppy plant, which reaches a height of 120 to 130 centimeters, is left to dry and then cut. The stalk is used as a cooking fuel, the capsules containing the seeds are sold to a pharmaceutical company, and the seeds are used as food. The people of Ismailkoy do not wish to lose a flavor which has been part of their and their ancestors’ lives. This spirited resistance has deep, and unexpected, roots.


Afyon is famous not only for poppies, but also for kaymak. This is a cream prepared from milk that takes the form of very white, firm disks about one centimeter thick. It is eaten fresh, one or two days after it is made, to fully appreciate the flavor of the milk; it is hard enough to cut with a knife but at the same time extraordinarily creamy. The best kaymak comes from buffalo milk, with cow’s milk following. It is made all over Turkey to be eaten with cakes and sweets or fruit in syrup. Otherwise, it can be spread on bread with a little honey. But the kaymak from the Afyon area is universally acknowledged to be the finest there is. The farmers of Ismailkoy are not only poppy growers. They have also always been livestock farmers. Each holding will only have a few head of buffalo or cattle but production is steady. And every day they go to the market at Afyon to sell their best kaymak, the part that will command the best prices.


What does kaymak have to do with poppies? When poppy seeds are pressed to obtain oil, the solid residue in the sacks of jute or nylon used to sieve the seed mixture is dried and stored. It comes in rectangular blocks called küspe, weighing about seven kilograms. These are crumbled into water as feed for buffalo, cows, goats and chickens. It is highly nutritious, rich in protein, fats and sugars. Each küspe costs about one dollar and provides up to four meals for a buffalo, one day’s food. It is expensive but a buffalo can produce up to 12 liters of milk a day, yielding six portions of kaymak that sell for about a dollar and a half each. They have no doubts, “If our kaymak is the best, it is only thanks to the poppies. That is the only difference between the feed for our animals and what all the other animals in Turkey eat. Our animals’ meat is better, too”. The people of Ismailkoy can distinguish the flavor of the milk produced by poppy seed oil-fed animals from other milk. And they prefer it to other milk.



Thread: Major Earthquake in Haiti

929.       alameda
3499 posts
 15 Jan 2010 Fri 04:59 am

 

Quoting vineyards

 

 

It is a pity, we take every opportunity to distort some statements in an unnecessary defensive attitude. I am tired of pointing out to how irrelevant many of those are.

 

For God´s sake, it is an earthquake. It does not have anything to do with Norwegians or Turks. Help if you can and everyone else is invited to do so too.

 

Agreed, maybe it´s a good time to review disaster prepardness?  I stayed with some Turkish earthquake survivors in 2001.  They gave me excellent advice.  It was: Always keep a flashlight, keep a whistle and water available.  Since that time I always have the first two with me.  I got a dual power flashlight (solar and battery), and I also sent a few to Turkey. The water I keep in my home and car. I was told with the flashlight you can see where you are, the whistle allows you to let people know where you are. (the voice wears out pretty fast)....and water, of course....you need it to stay alive. 

 

In Haiti now lack of water is the most urgent issue.  Due to the infrastructure damage, it´s very difficult to get things in to the country.  The horror and destruction is unimaginable (to me).

 

This site has excellent information on being prepared for emergency situations.

 

Are You Prepared?



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Thread: Major Earthquake in Haiti

930.       alameda
3499 posts
 13 Jan 2010 Wed 11:58 pm

 

Quoting Elisabeth

It seems far worse than originally thought....

 

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/cb_haiti_earthquake

 

 

 

Yes, it´s truly horrific!  They have so much work to rebuild their country.  They need a massive amount of help.  Many people are trapped under rubble now.

 

Here is a list of organizations that are helping

 

I like Oxfam and Doctors without Borders....



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