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Thread: nice to hear that

111.       ikicihan
1127 posts
 05 Nov 2013 Tue 02:17 am

Hey dostum, senden böyle şeyler duymak bir harika! Ağzından bal damlıyor, sen ne de güzel şeyler söylüyorsun böyle! {#emotions_dlg.ty_ty}



Thread: Our racist oath

112.       ikicihan
1127 posts
 05 Nov 2013 Tue 02:09 am

I guess we both love our nation and country, but our approach on how to protect it is a little bit different.

I put the country ("vatan") in the center, when you protect it, automatically the turkish existence in it will be saved besides all other minority nations.

But when we claim we are fighting for the turkish existence (or any nation´s existence) it is problematic. We should defend the country for anyone living inside it, not just for turks.

Also forcing other people to declare them as turkish, banning their native language etc. is not right, we suffered these wrong policies a lot until now.

 



Edited (11/5/2013) by ikicihan



Thread: Our racist oath

113.       ikicihan
1127 posts
 04 Nov 2013 Mon 03:50 am

 

Quoting si++

 

 

Houston, we have problem. So far no answer has been received.

 

Nationalistic ideas have always problems. These kind of ideas were widespread after french revolution and supported in order to destroy multinational empires. after WW2, europe understood its fault and quitted nationalistic propagandas. but we copied it from france in late ottoman times and went parallel with hitler´s style. after 40000+ people died in (nationalistic) turkish-(nationalistic) kurdish conflict in last 30 years, at last, happily we started to question our policies. removing our problematic oath was our latest policy change and that is good for us.

 

"I dedicate my exisance to Turkish existence" (Varlığım Türk varlığına armağan olsun) means there is a turkish existence and i am always ready to protect this existence even if i die for it.

As i said before, we are defending the country, not the turkish existence. What if i live in turkey but i am not turkish, to whom shall i dedicate my self existence? if turkey were %100 turkish, we still dont need to dedicate our existence to the turkish existence. Our education system was problematic; as a natural result of this our generations are problematic, too.



Thread: Our racist oath

114.       ikicihan
1127 posts
 03 Nov 2013 Sun 05:03 am

 

Quoting Abla

 

This is the most frightening thought: that victims of wars suffered and died in vain. That the ultimate injustice was done to them. In order to get rid of this disturbing thought cults of honor and rememberance are created in every country. If not it would be impossible to find soldiers for the next meaningless wars.

 

i smell an anti-militarist aproach here

formal rememberance ceremonies arent necessary but they didnt died for nothing also. wars are necessary in some conditions. we cannot tell the enemy that we dont want war so we will let you in freely! Many soldiers in dardanelles were young students who went to war voluntarily. Defending the country is extremely important and worths to die for in our belief system.



Thread: tr to en

115.       ikicihan
1127 posts
 02 Nov 2013 Sat 12:34 pm

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Thread: Our racist oath

116.       ikicihan
1127 posts
 02 Nov 2013 Sat 02:21 am

Quoting ikicihan and si++

One of my friends told me, he said the very first sentence of the oath, "I am Turkish, honest and hardworking." part to an american while working and waited to see what would his response be! The response was only one word: bullshit!

So what? Who cares an American saying "it´s bullshit"? Tsk tsk tsk...

 

Anyway!

 

I am turkish and i am happy with that. But why should i dedicate my existence to turkish existence? Then why our grandfathers died before? During Dardanelles war or independence war? Why did they lost their lives? Turkishness is an identity, There would never be such identity now on these lands we still call Turchia, if they didn´t lose their lives for their country, isn´t it a dedication to Turkishness? why should anyone dedicate their own existence to an identity, i have never understand that. Do you die for your ID? Remember, what we were used to say: "My existence shall be dedicated to the Turkish existence." Anyway I think I understand you. If I´m not wrong your point is you don´t care about living under Turkish flag. Is that right?

 

You are mixing apples and pears.

Defending the country we live in and belong to is one of our main duites. You may or may not be turkish, it does not matter. In dardanelles, many kurds and arabs and even armenians died to defend this country, the majority was turkish of course. And they did not died for turkish identity, they died for defending their country. Nationality, race is totaly different than the country defence. They tried to save the country, not the turkish ID.

I love my flag, even if its called as turkish flag, actually it is turkey´s flag. BTW, no problem calling it as turkish flag. If you feel you belong to turkey, you should love and respect the flag, no matter what your racial origin is.

 



Edited (11/2/2013) by ikicihan



Thread: bir used with profession names

117.       ikicihan
1127 posts
 01 Nov 2013 Fri 05:41 am

You can say: "Oğlum bir yazar."
Also you can say: "Oğlum, yazar."

 

No difference between "Oğlum bir doktor." and "Oğlum doktor."

But "Oğlum bir yazar." is more clear than "Oğlum yazar." because of the verb "yaz(-mak)"

yazar: (as a profession) writer

also
yazar: he/she writes, simple present tense.

If you use "...bir yazar", it definetly means a writer, an author. No confusion.

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Thread: Our racist oath

118.       ikicihan
1127 posts
 01 Nov 2013 Fri 02:41 am

and imagine that you are going to school out of turkey. every morning at the school you are saying:

"My existence shall be dedicated to the German existence."

or

"My existence shall be dedicated to the French existence."

while you are in germany or france. and you are neither german, nor french.

 

the right question is not "why did we remove the oath?", the right question is "why were we that late, the year is 2013"



Thread: Our racist oath

119.       ikicihan
1127 posts
 01 Nov 2013 Fri 02:32 am

One of my friends told me, he said the very first sentence of the oath, "I am Turkish, honest and hardworking." part to an american while working and waited to see what would his response be! The response was only one word: bullshit!

 

Anyway!

 

I am turkish and i am happy with that. But why should i dedicate my existence to turkish existence? Turkishness is an identity, why should anyone dedicate their own existence to an identity, i have never understand that. Do you die for your ID? Remember, what we were used to say: "My existence shall be dedicated to the Turkish existence."

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Thread: need some help please

120.       ikicihan
1127 posts
 15 Oct 2013 Tue 07:06 pm

 

Quoting typistul

Can you tell me what is the diffrence between "reşit olan" and "reşit kılınan". thank you very much!

 

"reşit olan" gain a right/duty to do sth. active. exp: you must be at least 18 to buy tobacco.

"reşit kılınan" you were given a right/duty to do sth. passive

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