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Thread: is a relationship between turkish man and english woman possible??????

1541.       vineyards
1954 posts
 29 Sep 2007 Sat 03:15 pm

Obviously you have all the proofs about everything. So, point at an objective source and we can read the truth.

As for Armenians. We should leave this discussion to historians. Even they are not agreeing on certain facts.

If we really committed such a genocide God damn my ancestors who did that offense. We must both apoligize and pay whatever compensation they may claim in that case.

You may think this has already been proven, I think it has not been. Obviously our version of the account is quite different. No one on our side claims we killed all those Armenians. There are references to an Armenian organization called Tashnak party. They join the Russian invasion of our Eastern provinces and begin tormenting locals gathering them in mosques and burning them. Then there is hatred between those people. In many cases there were Armenian villages next to a Turkish one. They fight with one another and kill one another in large numbers. Then Turkish troops take these separatist Armenians and drive them away from the region. A number of people died during this long and difficult voyage which took place on bare foot and in severe warfare conditions.

I don't believe in either account. I think both Armenians and Turks are exegerating. Research is still continueing in this matter.



Thread: is a relationship between turkish man and english woman possible??????

1542.       vineyards
1954 posts
 29 Sep 2007 Sat 02:57 pm

Quoting femme_fatal:

most westerners are definitely unaware that in many muslim communities live with a huge hatred towards the WEST. they make up so many funny stupid stories to spread up among themselves and they believe it.

as for catwoman or teaship poped up with why muslims dont criticise the islamic terrorism and fascism, which is absolutely true. most of muslims were so proud of terror attacks, they thanked allah.

when i raised the issue of darfur, nobody cared, although it was arab islamic militiants who have done genocide on 200 000 (or more) poor people, and the killers were not punished by the sudanese gov, instead the gov supports them calling them heros. the west went silent for the sake of f...ing OIL. and of course CANLI the great muslim lady had joked on this tragedy. but strangely she complained and moaned when they sentenced saddam.




I am against terrorist acts of any kind. That also includes state terrorism. Terror is terror regardless of who regards it. The most large-scale acts of terror are organized by the Western countries. They ave the largest and most powerful intelligence organizations. Their men go around the world to stir conflicts. One day you wake up an hear about a mosque being bombed by some unknown person. These people begin to hate the apparent suspect and they go and blow their synagogue.

I have never fasted or preyed in my life and I live in this country among my muslim friends. Nobody cares about my beliefs. From the beginning I did not question the Christian faith, it is you who bash Islam.

Just remember this. The Ottoman Empire had all the power in the world to turn the peoples of Greece, Bulgaria, Albania, Romania, Poland, Hungary, Yugoslavia into Muslims. If they were as bad as you say there would be no Greek Equimenical Church in Athens or a patriarch in Istanbul or so many Jewish synagogues with active communities in this country. The Serbs would have been ethnically cleansed and Hungarians would be speaking Turkish now. Some of them spent 600 years as the states of the Ottoman Empire. Today there is not a single mosque in Athens but nearly all of the Christian churches are still standing.



Thread: is a relationship between turkish man and english woman possible??????

1543.       vineyards
1954 posts
 29 Sep 2007 Sat 02:43 pm

Sorry, femme I didn't realize they were on a picnic party in Iraq. Obviously the US courts are investigating torture and desacration offenses just because they are affected by these rumours.

The statistics don't tell the truth. Thousands of lives are being lost in Iraq just because the Iraqi citizens are barbarians who cannot even appreciate the chance offered to them for getting civilized.

If you were a mature person, you's sit at your desk and read a little bit before making those teenager comments.

Stop bashing Turks and Islam. I am not a Muslim but I respect them and think they are at least not as barbaric as you claim.



Thread: I hate a belly dance

1544.       vineyards
1954 posts
 29 Sep 2007 Sat 02:35 pm

Femme I am 40 years old and I will probably die sooner than having grown up based on your timetable.

You said you are just trying to provoke me and not the others and you have a couple of words for turkish women proving how mature you are.

The tone in my messages to you is sadly affected by your own personality.



Thread: I hate a belly dance

1545.       vineyards
1954 posts
 29 Sep 2007 Sat 01:21 pm

Why are you writing here femme? Turkey can't be your favourite country. From my perspective majority of women in Turkey are light years ahead of you in their mentalities. They don't go to Kazakh sites and insult Kazakh women like you do.

And of course, you regard them as breeding machines. The only reason left for you to write here is to provoke them.



Thread: is a relationship between turkish man and english woman possible??????

1546.       vineyards
1954 posts
 29 Sep 2007 Sat 01:13 pm

Moderators why don't you take action against this person when she disparages all Muslims openly, in a public forum.

Why didn't you join the war in Iraq on the side of the US troops femme. You would have a chance to spit on their holy book.



Thread: I hate a belly dance

1547.       vineyards
1954 posts
 29 Sep 2007 Sat 12:37 pm

Moderators, why don't you warn this insolent, complex- driven person?



Thread: informal thoughts on Turkish Class

1548.       vineyards
1954 posts
 28 Sep 2007 Fri 02:41 pm

There is again a thin line that seperates us in our definitions of certain concepts. You are describing chauvenist nationalists and categorizing them as patriots just because they call themselves as such. We musn't base on people's ow asssumptions as to who they are. We know that everyone thinks he is right so they chose the best sounding attributes when describing themselves.

I will cut it short because I don't want this one to go out of control too. If you want to discuss this we must either do that via PM's or through some other political forum.



Thread: informal thoughts on Turkish Class

1549.       vineyards
1954 posts
 28 Sep 2007 Fri 01:30 am

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting alameda:


Criticism of Ataturk is like holding a red flag in front of a bull....and you must know that. Without Ataturk there would be no Turkey. Including his name in relationship with Stalin or Hitler is insensitive to the extreme, or it is provocative. What on earth are you trying to do here?


the thing is that, we know it. (nobody here insulted ataturk!)
with all due respect to him but still hes not a god!



Femme fatal how dare you talk about respect? You are one of the most irrespectful persons I have ever met.



Thread: informal thoughts on Turkish Class

1550.       vineyards
1954 posts
 28 Sep 2007 Fri 01:25 am

Catwoman are you really sending these posts for discussing something or is it just a pillow fight for you? If you are aware of a better form of hospitality and virteous treatment in your own history please quote it to me.

I believe in the decency of my own hospitable people and I am proud of being one of them. I don't think they deserve anyone of the disparagement you are trying to direct at them. You can't judge an entire nation with observations based on a few people.



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