So, you mean I as Vineyards am asking for sex?

Isn't it very much like this method of reasoning: birds fly, so do planes therefore planes are birds?

well, NY has already burnt 9/11 thanks to some nice eastern guys who tried to burn down the sins of infidels.

nope, fine, vineayrds fine, just help yourself with some raki and a bit of porno. thats absolutely fine with me. people love entertaining themselves with some striptease. why not? we are free to do whatever we wish to, right?

you disagree with me on women discrimination, but porno and alchohol is OK to you?
no turkish male (except for erdinc) has ever protested against male prostitution in resorts, honor killings, opression of women, but instead they praise themselves as handsome lovers, protectors of traditions and faith.

how do you digest those verses from koran? (oh, you have of course read all the holy books, tho i bet you havent got a clue on them) how do you justify injust attitude towards women? how can you live in the society where the majority of women are humiliated and seen as the object of sex, or daughters as a good party to trade for a marriage?


Quoting vineyards:

I don't know what kind of a super oriental setting some of us live in but I can assure you we have no shortage of entertainment in Istanbul.

Vineyard is right, there's no shortage of real porno where he lives (and not only there)...... it's served regularly with daily news plus saturday specials!

Good. Do you find Turks a bit aggressive and barbarous because most of them are muslims? Could they have some genetic flaws as Femme_fatal asserted or do you think Turkish males including your husband are extremely indulgent in porn as catwoman claims?

I wasn't referring to you in anyway Elisabeth. Your opinions must actually have more weight here than ours because this is a site for the learners of Turkish language and it directly appeals to you for that reason.

You are of course free to say whatever you want to. For example, what do you think about Turkish males? Your husband is a Turk. Does he oppress you? Is it nice to make generalizations the way catwoman and femme made. What is your own experience like?

Just joking.

I don't understand what you mean. Can you explain

Well, there is nothing wrong about taking them seriously as they are quite serious anyway. It is just the writing technique that I employed there. Thank you for your mature reaction.

Teaschip, you misunderstood that post.
You are taking things literally; I might as well call myself an elephant if I knew I could express myself more emphatically. Oh my God, I am tired of making these explanations. Why don't you start a thread and curse me everyday as the first thing in the morning.