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Thread: is a relationship between turkish man and english woman possible??????

1531.

vineyards
1954 posts

29 Sep 2007 Sat 08:04 pm

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting vineyards:

Don't you have some males who are rude to females? As far as I know Dutch is very rich in swear words. Even I have heard of tons of curses despising women. Now that swear words are a part of the slang and slang is a part of a culture; should we claim that women are bashed, ridiculed and sexually abused in Holland?

women in holland have equal rights to men. there are evil men all over the world as well as evil women.
dont teach trudy of the conditions of dutch women, she knows better.

I am not teaching anyone anything. I just aked a question whose answer is already known to prove how wrong it is to judge cultures based on a few examples.

Thread: is a relationship between turkish man and english woman possible??????

1532.

vineyards
1954 posts

29 Sep 2007 Sat 08:01 pm

Quoting Trudy:

Quoting vineyards:

Your way of discussing reminds me of a stampede. You draw conclusions of things I never mentioned and/or connected.

And where did I say my country is the best, that I'm blind for it's mistakes? Or for the mistakes of individuals? The difference is, I agree so much with femme, that you only want to hear praises, not critics. I can stand both.

Being interested in a country does mean I can't critisize? I just like the country but it doesn't make me blind. Telling you about Christianity? Why should I do that as you told that you've read all the Holy Books? Then you must know, don't you? Tell me, and I'll give my comment.

Then take your time and quote some of the positive words femme used for Turkey. Hating the East, Islam, Turks being barbarians originally, Turks being oppressors. Which one of those statements do you endorse.

It is you who is drawing some conclusions. I don't want to hear you praise Turkey. I don't need such a thing either. Just read the first paragraph again and see for yourself what I am objecting to.

Of course you are agreeing so much with femme.

Thread: is a relationship between turkish man and english woman possible??????

1533.

vineyards
1954 posts

29 Sep 2007 Sat 07:35 pm

Deep in my heart - there's a fire - a burning heart Deep in my heart - there's desire - for a start I'm dying in emotion It's my world in fantasy.

Modern Talking

P.S. It is up to you to find a way to flame this one too.

Thread: is a relationship between turkish man and english woman possible??????

1534.

vineyards
1954 posts

29 Sep 2007 Sat 06:41 pm

That's it I claim that I don't hate the West and you claim you hate the East. You have admitted your hatred so get the hell out of here this is a site for the learners of an Eastern language.

Thread: is a relationship between turkish man and english woman possible??????

1535.

vineyards
1954 posts

29 Sep 2007 Sat 06:34 pm

Quoting femme_fatal:

if you hate the WEST what the heck you wanna join EU!

When did I say I want to join the EU. Our politician want to join it. The party I voted for did not win the elections. I certainly don't approve of the policies of our government but then we have democracy don't we?

Plus, when did I ever say I hate West?

Thread: is a relationship between turkish man and english woman possible??????

1536.

vineyards
1954 posts

29 Sep 2007 Sat 06:32 pm

Quoting Trudy:

Quoting vineyards:

Moderators why don't you take action against this person when she disparages all Muslims openly, in a public forum.

Why didn't you join the war in Iraq on the side of the US troops femme. You would have a chance to spit on their holy book.

Isn't it unfair that men can marry whoever they want and women have to stick to a muslim? What is wrong with that femme said this? To me it surely does not prove an equal treatment.

Trudy for something to be unfair first in must be true. You can claim that still a certain percentage of the women in Turkey are oppressed by their husbands and I would agree with you in that. Don't you have some males who are rude to females? As far as I know Dutch is very rich in swear words. Even I have heard of tons of curses despising women. Now that swear words are a part of the slang and slang is a part of a culture; should we claim that women are bashed, ridiculed and sexually abused in Holland?

This equation will not hold water:

Islam = Turkey = No rights for women.

You probably came over here. How was the atmosphere was it so medieval. If so why are you so much interested in our culture. Do you want to prescribe some Christian values because you think Islam is adequate in that regard. Well for my own part being an atheist living in a muslim society all my life, I wouldn't claim that myself. I read all hold books including Zoraster, I can't claim anyhting in line with what you implied in your message.

Thread: is a relationship between turkish man and english woman possible??????

1537.

vineyards
1954 posts

29 Sep 2007 Sat 06:17 pm

Yes, you mean, you lined up in front of an embassy like all the other Speedy Gonzaleses who want to beam themselves to a civilized part of the world; and you obtained a visa for yourself. It is not a problem for you to have an identity of your own. An instant identity will do the job. Have you become a civilized European dear just because you obtained the visa? If so, think whom you are associating with even your best friends routinely complain of lovers of the West like you who come to settle down in their countries.

If you ask me it is a virtue to love one's country and to work for it. You have nothing to be proud of when it comes to culture unless you take others' culture for granted.

I do have a couple of Kazakh friends here in Turkey, when I ask them they describe their country much more positively than a wanna-be-western girl like you. I respect them for whatever they are. Because whoever they may be they will return to their countries and work for their own people holding on to their own values and resources. They certainly do not need people like you. You are a shame for the Kazakhs too.

Thread: is a relationship between turkish man and english woman possible??????

1538.

vineyards
1954 posts

29 Sep 2007 Sat 03:36 pm

That's the word to use in this connection. If I am wrong a native speaker could correct me.

Where did they teach you this story about barbarians. Everyone used to be a barbarian if you go back in time sufficiently. Would you want to live in the Mediaval Europe for example?

Thread: is a relationship between turkish man and english woman possible??????

1539.

vineyards
1954 posts

29 Sep 2007 Sat 03:22 pm

Then stop the show you are carrying on and let's continue by PM's from now on.

Thread: is a relationship between turkish man and english woman possible??????

1540.

vineyards
1954 posts

29 Sep 2007 Sat 03:18 pm

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting vineyards:

Quoting femme_fatal:

Just remember this. The Ottoman Empire had all the power in the world to turn the peoples of Greece, Bulgaria, Albania, Romania, Poland, Hungary, Yugoslavia into Muslims. If they were as bad as you say there would be no Greek Equimenical Church in Athens or a patriarch in Istanbul or so many Jewish synagogues with active communities in this country. The Serbs would have been ethnically cleansed and Hungarians would be speaking Turkish now. Some of them spent 600 years as the states of the Ottoman Empire. Today there is not a single mosque in Athens but nearly all of the Christian churches are still standing.

a nice fairy tale! good job! you turks feed yourselves with such myths.
long ago the peoples who lived in the territory of turkey were christians, today turkeys majority is muslim, what happent to the vast non-muslim majority of inhabitants, how come they have decreased to the smallest minorities?
didnt most of them convert to islam under the wonderful swords of islam?
when you look at yourself on a mirror, whom you do see? do you see a turk? i dont think so! you are descendant of greeks and armenians, honey. turks were barbarians originated from the territories of central asia that have invaded todays turkey.

Never cared about my ethnic roots. If Turks were barbarians who mixed up with non barbarian elements. Then who were Kazakhs. They are also Turkic and I understand they have never mixed with non barbarians. Could it have something to do with why you are so full of hatred?

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