This is what I love about you -- you have your beliefs and preferences, but you repsect other people´s choices. If only everybody was like that too...

Really? In which period? Pagan times were full of sex and so were the beginnings of Christianity. Actually modesty and chastity are the invention of 18th/19th century and only the middle class would keep it. Both poor and wealthy would have sex all the time (clergymen too).

 This is completely true

 Yuuuuuuuup

 Do you have any confirmation for "all the time"???  

I do not know those centuries well but from the impression I got, I think it was rather reserved to the poor if any.  There were some sex affairs going on, but it was done in secret and it was frown upon.

 actually a bit earlier... soon after Columb discovered America. He brought syphilis to Europe and church should do smth to protect people. Before that pictures of sex and sexual orgies illustrated Bible.

and BTW poor people are more conformists....

 Are you kidding?  I have yet to see a very confirmist queue at the benefits office

It was standard practice among the rich certainly - you married for money or position, and took lovers for fun.  Everyone knew about it and it has happened pretty much throughout recorded history.

As a matter of interest, one of the most conformist eras in our history was not Victorian times but in fact the 1950s.  Maybe because of this, many people who were teenagers around this time thought that sexual freedom only started in the 1960s. Those 50s teenagers are todays middle aged moralists who think they represent a bygone era, when in fact they only represent their teenage years.

Alameda, when were you born?

cultures, standards of judgment, traditions and law lead and  rule people; and  you think, behave and speak according to these norms in your countries...

"kýz istemek" is an important Turkish tradition and maybe it is a legal/important/global tradition for every country.

Huh?! "kýz istemek" according to my limited Turkish means "wanting a girl" how about erkek istemek? And why the heck should this be a legal (?!) tradition in any country? Unless, of course, you speak about countries where, say, homosexualism is forbidden or punishable. Then kiz istemek is a legal requirement indeed

Haha

Now you are making me laugh (and preventing me going back to my work too )

´Kiz istemek´ should be translated as ´formally asking to the girl´s parent permission to get married´ actually..

But I agree, it sounds like ´asking for a girl like asking for a cup of sugar or salt from your neighbour´.

But we dont have ´erkek istemek´ as a tradition..

Do you want to start it by ´asking for an erkek who is handsom and a bit hairy and ...´?