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Emin Colasan fired...
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16 Aug 2007 Thu 12:31 am |
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Quoting AEnigma III:
Meltem I a NOTHING supporter  However, I am glad this subject brought you back to TC and its interesting to note your lack of faith in your fellow countrymen's ability to deal with democracy |
I am back from a one week Turkey journey.
And your sentence, I did not get the point, your sentences are very complex for this time of day for me.
I believe in democracy but Turkey is a specific country.
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16 Aug 2007 Thu 12:33 am |
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Quoting mltm: I am back from a one week Turkey journey. |
Welcome back 
Back in Paris now?
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16 Aug 2007 Thu 12:47 am |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting mltm: If there is not secularism there is no democracy.
I support any military intervention if Gül becomes president for the name of DEMOCRACY. |
Unfortunately that is the irony of democracy hehehe! 47% of voters want this and some maybe even want a Islamic State! Which is worse - A military state or an Islamic state? Both are far away from the ideal you seek... |
Offff aenigma offf.... You fall in the mistake of considering Turkey as a perfect democratic country like a european state where there's no danger of a religious regime. We do not talk about ideal here, because it is not realistic for the current Turkey.
Turkey is a democratic secular country (in theory) there are cases where military intervention is necessary as a "last option" because Turkey is not a France where democracy works really good. Military is not ever mentioned there because there's no need but the existance of military in Turkey is very vital, not just because of the defence of the country but also because of keeping the secular regime. Military has a constitutional right to defend the regime, it can use this right that has been given to it, but later it leaves the control back to a civil gouvernment (and it has always left) but if an islamic country ever happens (this is what we fear and it is not a paranoic scenario as Tayyip says), all the secular system will be changed and we will never be able to talk about democracy.
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16 Aug 2007 Thu 12:51 am |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting mltm: I am back from a one week Turkey journey. |
Welcome back
Back in Paris now? |
Thank you.
I have been in İstanbul since 10 june, I just made a one week tiring journey in some parts of Turkey that I have never seen (Bolu, Safranbolu, Kastamonu, Çorum, Alacahöyük). I'll put the photos tomorrow on the site fot he puclic use. I'm back in istanbul again, and will be back to Lyon in two weeks ( I don't stay in Paris  )
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16 Aug 2007 Thu 12:53 am |
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Quoting mltm: I'm back in istanbul again, and will be back to Lyon in two weeks ( I don't stay in Paris ) |
Offffff Lyon sorry - I should remember because I always used to drive through it ....slowly because of terrible traffic..when going to Macon 
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16 Aug 2007 Thu 12:55 am |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting mltm: I'm back in istanbul again, and will be back to Lyon in two weeks ( I don't stay in Paris ) |
Offffff Lyon sorry - I should remember because I always used to drive through it ....slowly because of terrible traffic..when going to Macon |
Since it has turned to an offtopic dialog, what do you do in Macon?
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16 Aug 2007 Thu 12:56 am |
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Quoting mltm:
Offff aenigma offf.... You fall in the mistake to consider Turkey as a perfect democratic country like a european state where there's no danger of a religious regime. We do not talk about ideal here, because it is not realistic for the current Turkey.
Turkey is a democratic secular country (in theory) there are cases where military intervention is necessary as a "last option" because Turkey is not a France where democracy works really good. Military is not ever mentioned there because there's no need but the existance of military in Turkey is very vital, not just because of the defence of the country but also because of keeping the secular regime. Military has a constitutional right to defend the regime, it can use this right that has been given to it, but later it leaves the control back to a civil gouvernment (and it has always left) but if an islamic country ever happens (this is what we fear and it is not a paranoic scenario as Tayyip says), all the secular system will be changed and we will never be able to talk about democracy. |
mltm
a wonderful post! pleased to read! 
eh, ignore aenigma, she doesnt know anything about the world being isolated in an isle.
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16 Aug 2007 Thu 12:56 am |
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Quoting mltm: Offff aenigma offf.... You fall in the mistake to consider Turkey as a perfect democratic country like a european state where there's no danger of a religious regime. We do not talk about ideal here, because it is not realistic for the current Turkey. |
Well actually, I am not making the mistake in considering anything. I know very little about this subject hahaha! I just didn't like some of the attitudes of the others, so jumped in!
I know NOTHING...N.O.T.H.I.N.G But its sooooooo fun to watch the argument ensue! 
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16 Aug 2007 Thu 12:58 am |
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Quoting mltm: Quoting ciko: Quoting KeithL: well, he's not President, nor wil he be....
That would be impossible. |
he will be president at the end of august and you all have to accept that someone whose wife is headscarved in turkey could be president 47 % turks aproved it.. no matter what you say..this is democracy.. and i am so happy i love to see you narrow minded people so angry |
You are being funny.
I did not know that the 22 july elections was a referendum for the presidency of Gül. And this is not democracy. If a person whose ideology is very clearly against secularism can never be a president in a seculiar turkish republic. His wife is not the problem here. He has made so many speeches and he wrote so many things in the past againt the seculiar system. If there is not secularism there is no democracy.
I support any military intervention if Gül becomes president for the name of DEMOCRACY. |
yes 22 july was not a referandum.. i assure if it was a rferandum.. Gul would get at last 65% of votes. how can you say his ideology against democracy? who do you think you are? how can you ignore those people? 47 % of these people vote that ideology. and yes he made speeches against secularism ..10 years ago..have you not changed in 10 years? ah i forgot you white Turks never change..for 60 years..your brains ar frozen!!! i am sure even if tayyip gets 90 % of votes you would still think system is in danger..because you are only one who know what is good for this country eh?
you support any military intervention and you call yourself seculiar eh? you are the one who is being funny mltm. i feel sorry for you because you still cant see realities of this country despite a Turkey Journey...you white Turks.. Democracy is rising up in this country whether you want or not.
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16 Aug 2007 Thu 12:59 am |
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Quoting AEnigma III:
I know NOTHING...N.O.T.H.I.N.G But its sooooooo fun to watch the argument ensue! |
at least she is sincere and speaks true 
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16 Aug 2007 Thu 01:02 am |
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Quoting mltm: Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting mltm: If there is not secularism there is no democracy.
I support any military intervention if Gül becomes president for the name of DEMOCRACY. |
Unfortunately that is the irony of democracy hehehe! 47% of voters want this and some maybe even want a Islamic State! Which is worse - A military state or an Islamic state? Both are far away from the ideal you seek... |
Offff aenigma offf.... You fall in the mistake of considering Turkey as a perfect democratic country like a european state where there's no danger of a religious regime. We do not talk about ideal here, because it is not realistic for the current Turkey.
Turkey is a democratic secular country (in theory) there are cases where military intervention is necessary as a "last option" because Turkey is not a France where democracy works really good. |
and you have no right to make foreign people think that Turkey is not a democratic country.
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