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Emin Colasan fired...
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16 Aug 2007 Thu 01:02 am |
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Quoting mltm: Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting mltm: If there is not secularism there is no democracy.
I support any military intervention if Gül becomes president for the name of DEMOCRACY. |
Unfortunately that is the irony of democracy hehehe! 47% of voters want this and some maybe even want a Islamic State! Which is worse - A military state or an Islamic state? Both are far away from the ideal you seek... |
Offff aenigma offf.... You fall in the mistake of considering Turkey as a perfect democratic country like a european state where there's no danger of a religious regime. We do not talk about ideal here, because it is not realistic for the current Turkey.
Turkey is a democratic secular country (in theory) there are cases where military intervention is necessary as a "last option" because Turkey is not a France where democracy works really good. |
and you have no right to make foreign people think that Turkey is not a democratic country.
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16 Aug 2007 Thu 01:05 am |
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Quoting ciko:
and you have no right to make foreign people think that Turkey is not a democratic country. |
not all the foreign are blind or naive! 
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16 Aug 2007 Thu 01:07 am |
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Quoting femme_fatal: not all the foreign are blind or naive! |
And nor are Turkish people. My country's official religion is Christian Church of England and yet muslims are free to wear headscarfs anywhere they want to. Turkey is 80% muslim and yet they are not.
Does this election result surprise you?
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16 Aug 2007 Thu 01:09 am |
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Quoting ciko: Quoting mltm: Quoting ciko: Quoting KeithL: well, he's not President, nor wil he be....
That would be impossible. |
he will be president at the end of august and you all have to accept that someone whose wife is headscarved in turkey could be president 47 % turks aproved it.. no matter what you say..this is democracy.. and i am so happy i love to see you narrow minded people so angry |
You are being funny.
I did not know that the 22 july elections was a referendum for the presidency of Gül. And this is not democracy. If a person whose ideology is very clearly against secularism can never be a president in a seculiar turkish republic. His wife is not the problem here. He has made so many speeches and he wrote so many things in the past againt the seculiar system. If there is not secularism there is no democracy.
I support any military intervention if Gül becomes president for the name of DEMOCRACY. |
yes 22 july was not a referandum.. i assure if it was a rferandum.. Gul would get at last 65% of votes. how can you say his ideology against democracy? who do you think you are? how can you ignore those people? 47 % of these people vote that ideology. and yes he made speeches against secularism ..10 years ago..have you not changed in 10 years? ah i forgot you white Turks never change..for 60 years..your brains ar frozen!!! i am sure even if tayyip gets 90 % of votes you would still think system is in danger..because you are only one who know what is good for this country eh?
you support any military intervention and you call yourself seculiar eh? you are the one who is being funny mltm. i feel sorry for you because you still cant see realities of this country despite a Turkey Journey...you white Turks.. Democracy is rising up in this country whether you want or not. |
Why do you put me in a group? I'm just a secular person in a secular country, not one of a secular minority in Turkey since Turkey is a secular country. Tayyip and Gül are not secular people, they are just using the oppourtunity of being in the government of a secular country.
We know very well that people voted for AKP because of the short termed well going economy which will not be so in the longterm and because there was not really any other hope promising party to vote for. The disappering of secularism is the last thing that a poor person would worry as you cannot fill your stomach with secularism. You need bread, right?? Other parties did not have a good economical program.
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16 Aug 2007 Thu 01:10 am |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting femme_fatal: not all the foreign are blind or naive! |
And nor are Turkish people. My country's official religion is Christian Church of England and yet muslims are free to wear headscarfs anywhere they want to. Turkey is 80% muslim and yet they are not.
Does this election result surprise you? |
i dont like to completely agree with someone but this time i completely agree with you.. 1000000 %
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16 Aug 2007 Thu 01:12 am |
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Quoting ciko:
and you have no right to make foreign people think that Turkey is not a democratic country. |
ciko, give me a break pleasee
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16 Aug 2007 Thu 01:15 am |
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Quoting mltm: Quoting ciko: Quoting mltm: Quoting ciko: Quoting KeithL: well, he's not President, nor wil he be....
That would be impossible. |
he will be president at the end of august and you all have to accept that someone whose wife is headscarved in turkey could be president 47 % turks aproved it.. no matter what you say..this is democracy.. and i am so happy i love to see you narrow minded people so angry |
You are being funny.
I did not know that the 22 july elections was a referendum for the presidency of Gül. And this is not democracy. If a person whose ideology is very clearly against secularism can never be a president in a seculiar turkish republic. His wife is not the problem here. He has made so many speeches and he wrote so many things in the past againt the seculiar system. If there is not secularism there is no democracy.
I support any military intervention if Gül becomes president for the name of DEMOCRACY. |
yes 22 july was not a referandum.. i assure if it was a rferandum.. Gul would get at last 65% of votes. how can you say his ideology against democracy? who do you think you are? how can you ignore those people? 47 % of these people vote that ideology. and yes he made speeches against secularism ..10 years ago..have you not changed in 10 years? ah i forgot you white Turks never change..for 60 years..your brains ar frozen!!! i am sure even if tayyip gets 90 % of votes you would still think system is in danger..because you are only one who know what is good for this country eh?
you support any military intervention and you call yourself seculiar eh? you are the one who is being funny mltm. i feel sorry for you because you still cant see realities of this country despite a Turkey Journey...you white Turks.. Democracy is rising up in this country whether you want or not. |
Why do you put me in a group of a group? I'm just a secular person in a secular country, not one of a secular minority in Turkey since Turkey is a secular country. Tayyip and Gül are not secular people, they are just using the oppourtunity of being in the government of a secular country.
We know very well that people voted for AKP because of the short termed well going economy which will not be so in the longterm and because there was not really any other hope promising party to vote for. The disappering of secularism is the last thing that a poor person would worry as you cannot fill your stomach with secularism. You need bread, right?? Other parties did not have a good economical program. |
phew secular mltm ..you are making me laugh..poor you..still call yourself secular are you saying nearly 50 % of people vote AKP for only bread? this means " turks are so stupid that they can not see what is good for them..but we secular white turks can think about everything instead of them."
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16 Aug 2007 Thu 01:18 am |
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Quoting mltm: Quoting ciko:
and you have no right to make foreign people think that Turkey is not a democratic country. |
ciko, give me a break pleasee
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you cant get rid of me so easily...but ok..i am going to sleep now
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16 Aug 2007 Thu 01:19 am |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting femme_fatal: not all the foreign are blind or naive! |
And nor are Turkish people. My country's official religion is Christian Church of England and yet muslims are free to wear headscarfs anywhere they want to. Turkey is 80% muslim and yet they are not.
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theres a difference between england and turkey. the difference is in history, culture and mentality.
therefore you cant compare the systems of both.
if im a, lets say, european way democrat and will allow headscarves in a good belief, the next thing will be the sharia laws they want. you should know where and how to use the thing called democracy.
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16 Aug 2007 Thu 01:19 am |
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Quoting ciko: phew secular mltm ..you are making me laugh..poor you..still call yourself secular are you saying nearly 50 % of people vote AKP for only bread? this means " turks are so stupid that they can not see what is good for them..but we secular white turks can think about everything instead of them." |
You DO seem to have a very low opinion about the intelligence of Turkish people Meltem.... 
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16 Aug 2007 Thu 01:23 am |
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Quoting ciko:
phew secular mltm ..you are making me laugh..poor you..still call yourself secular are you saying nearly 50 % of people vote AKP for only bread? this means " turks are so stupid that they can not see what is good for them..but we secular white turks can think about everything instead of them." |
You have already made me laugh my ciko.
I will not go on with this useless debate with you.
If we make a profil of an average turks, I'm sure we will not have very promising results  and we can go hours listing the reasons why people voted for AKP, and ofcourse among them there's the cause of religion as well.
And I do not like the white turk thing. My skin is white but I'm a normal Turk. I'm just a normal person who uses her brain, not trying to think for all people. I worry for the future of my country, which is my right, since this is also my country! Or does 47% vote mean that they can do whatever they want? Now, they censor everything, they have 80% of the media, and now we cannot even have the right to worry for the secularism of our counrty just because we are not among the 47%??
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