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Is there no end to this madness?
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01 Feb 2008 Fri 03:34 pm |
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Quoting ciko: the biggest mistake about such subjects belongs to muslims that never commented again Quran for 800 years. i am really ashamed. |
I am glad you realize something is not right..
I believe islam needs more than just commenting..
It requires reforming.
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01 Feb 2008 Fri 03:37 pm |
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I had the pleasure to meet a couple where the husband was turkish and the wife romanian. There is an age difference between them.
While their guest i was treated royally.
The husband took good care of me, covered me with attention, made everything to make me feel comfortable.
He did many things in the house also, but out of pleasure.
He took good care of her.
(if anyone missinterprets here, i will kick  )
It was the first time in my life i saw turkish hospitality mixing with love towards his wife, respect to customs and to wife. Sometimes she even did not understood. For example, he offered to hold my bag while taking pictures. She got pissed of... instead of feeling how cherished and respected she is, if her friends are so taken care of. He did not mind. Everything she did was in his line of respect. I was speechless.
That was when i said myself i want such a husband from life.
So the myth of no women rights is false.
Turkish culture has its ways in respecting woman.
I remember Bazri - the husband's name- telling a turkish idiom, about the most beautiful things in life. Sound of money (euhm), sound of water and the laughter of the woman.
Is this a woman-hater culture?
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01 Feb 2008 Fri 03:38 pm |
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Quoting thehandsom: Quoting ciko: the biggest mistake about such subjects belongs to muslims that never commented again Quran for 800 years. i am really ashamed. |
I am glad you realize something is not right..
I believe islam needs more than just commenting..
It requires reforming. |
offfffff i meant reforming.. the only difference is your english is much better and you can find proper words much more easily
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01 Feb 2008 Fri 03:45 pm |
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Quoting portokal: I had the pleasure to meet a couple where the husband was turkish and the wife romanian. There is an age difference between them.
While their guest i was treated royally.
The husband took good care of me, covered me with attention, made everything to make me feel comfortable.
He did many things in the house also, but out of pleasure.
He took good care of her.
(if anyone missinterprets here, i will kick )
It was the first time in my life i saw turkish hospitality mixing with love towards his wife, respect to customs and to wife. Sometimes she even did not understood. For example, he offered to hold my bag while taking pictures. She got pissed of... instead of feeling how cherished and respected she is, if her friends are so taken care of. He did not mind. Everything she did was in his line of respect. I was speechless.
That was when i said myself i want such a husband from life.
So the myth of no women rights is false.
Turkish culture has its ways in respecting woman.
I remember Bazri - the husband's name- telling a turkish idiom, about the most beautiful things in life. Sound of money (euhm), sound of water and the laughter of the woman.
Is this a woman-hater culture?
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Portokal you have expresed very beautiful my point of view. I am living this love and respect for woman ( wife) from my husbands part, every day ...
myself being romanian and my husband turk ...
but i guess is not about culture - arab, turk etc or about nationality, But is all about the man!
i saw also the same respect and love between my parents - orthodox, between family friends - jews
and so on ...
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01 Feb 2008 Fri 03:51 pm |
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Quoting AlphaF: However the book itself says Islam is a universal religion, not meant exclusively for Arabs..
What we should go by is the Quran itself, and our own understanding of it....Not by what Arabs, or others, tell us. |
i remember one of your posts from about three months ago, i think in the headscarf thread, where you said that violence against women was actually reduced by Mohamed. He made gentler laws. But to abolish some directly would have not been possible.
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01 Feb 2008 Fri 03:58 pm |
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Quoting Inankur: Quoting portokal: I had the pleasure to meet a couple where the husband was turkish and the wife romanian. There is an age difference between them.
While their guest i was treated royally.
The husband took good care of me, covered me with attention, made everything to make me feel comfortable.
He did many things in the house also, but out of pleasure.
He took good care of her.
(if anyone missinterprets here, i will kick )
It was the first time in my life i saw turkish hospitality mixing with love towards his wife, respect to customs and to wife. Sometimes she even did not understood. For example, he offered to hold my bag while taking pictures. She got pissed of... instead of feeling how cherished and respected she is, if her friends are so taken care of. He did not mind. Everything she did was in his line of respect. I was speechless.
That was when i said myself i want such a husband from life.
So the myth of no women rights is false.
Turkish culture has its ways in respecting woman.
I remember Bazri - the husband's name- telling a turkish idiom, about the most beautiful things in life. Sound of money (euhm), sound of water and the laughter of the woman.
Is this a woman-hater culture?
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Portokal you have expresed very beautiful my point of view. I am living this love and respect for woman ( wife) from my husbands part, every day ...
myself being romanian and my husband turk ...
but i guess is not about culture - arab, turk etc or about nationality, But is all about the man!
i saw also the same respect and love between my parents - orthodox, between family friends - jews
and so on ... |
true. in marriage it is about the man you choose and which chooses you.
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01 Feb 2008 Fri 04:08 pm |
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Quoting portokal: So the myth of no women rights is false. |
Myth? This story is myth eh? Honour killings are myth?
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01 Feb 2008 Fri 04:16 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting portokal: So the myth of no women rights is false. |
Myth? This story is myth eh? Honour killings are myth?
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hm... true. there are honour killings.
what i made was a very personal statement.
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01 Feb 2008 Fri 04:17 pm |
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Quoting portokal: Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting portokal: So the myth of no women rights is false. |
Myth? This story is myth eh? Honour killings are myth?
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hm... true. there are honour killings.
what i made was a very personal statement.
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Absolutely it was a very personal statement ... and this ONE experience led you to believe that "the myth of women's rights is false" ?!?!?! 
Did you even read the article?
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01 Feb 2008 Fri 04:28 pm |
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Everyone is so busy defending Islam, but NOBODY seems to condemn what is actually happening in these states, or that this journalist has been sentenced to death 
Same old story...
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01 Feb 2008 Fri 04:32 pm |
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Quoting thehandsom: Quoting ciko: the biggest mistake about such subjects belongs to muslims that never commented again Quran for 800 years. i am really ashamed. |
I am glad you realize something is not right..
I believe islam needs more than just commenting..
It requires reforming. |
I agree with you handsom. I think it is in serious need of on overhaul. Most religions have done this at one point or another. I don't think it is a mistake to do this because these books were written thousands of years ago, in a different time for different people. But even if Islam is reformed there is a fundamental problem with the fact that most Islamic people believe that the Quran is the exact word of God. That doesn't leave much room for change.
What seems strange is that people are more willing to follow a book rather than what is right. It is beyond my understanding how people can kill other people in the name of God.
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