Quoting catwoman:

Could they all be victims of Mad Cow Disease? I'm afraid there's no cure then

Quoting thehandsom:

I have been reading this in the theindependent .
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/save-pervez-global-protests-to-save-afghan-student-from-death-sentence-776783.html

There is also a petition

Quoting ciko:

are we supposed to think there is no women right in islam after this news? i am confused ya

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting ciko:

are we supposed to think there is no women right in islam after this news? i am confused ya

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting ciko:

Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting ciko: are we supposed to think there is no women right in islam after this news? i am confused ya Draw the conclusions yourself Ciko. There are obviously none in Afghanistan and such rights are considered blasphemy

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting ciko: Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting ciko: are we supposed to think there is no women right in islam after this news? i am confused ya Draw the conclusions yourself Ciko. There are obviously none in Afghanistan and such rights are considered blasphemy oki doki i went to mosque today so i feel like i have to defend Islam

Quoting ciko:

oki doki i went to mosque today so i feel like i have to defend Islam

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting Inankur:

DIFFERENCE NEEDS TO BE MADE BETWEEN ISLAM AND EXTREMIST ISLAM ( mainly Arabic culture )

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting ciko:

the biggest mistake about such subjects belongs to muslims that never commented again Quran for 800 years. i am really ashamed.

Quoting thehandsom:

Quoting portokal:

I had the pleasure to meet a couple where the husband was turkish and the wife romanian. There is an age difference between them.
While their guest i was treated royally.
The husband took good care of me, covered me with attention, made everything to make me feel comfortable.
He did many things in the house also, but out of pleasure.
He took good care of her.
(if anyone missinterprets here, i will kick )
It was the first time in my life i saw turkish hospitality mixing with love towards his wife, respect to customs and to wife. Sometimes she even did not understood. For example, he offered to hold my bag while taking pictures. She got pissed of... instead of feeling how cherished and respected she is, if her friends are so taken care of. He did not mind. Everything she did was in his line of respect. I was speechless.


That was when i said myself i want such a husband from life.

So the myth of no women rights is false.
Turkish culture has its ways in respecting woman.
I remember Bazri - the husband's name- telling a turkish idiom, about the most beautiful things in life. Sound of money (euhm), sound of water and the laughter of the woman.
Is this a woman-hater culture?

Quoting AlphaF:

However the book itself says Islam is a universal religion, not meant exclusively for Arabs..

What we should go by is the Quran itself, and our own understanding of it....Not by what Arabs, or others, tell us.

Quoting Inankur:

Quoting portokal:

So the myth of no women rights is false.

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting portokal:

Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting portokal: So the myth of no women rights is false. Myth? This story is myth eh? Honour killings are myth?

Quoting thehandsom:

Quoting MrX67:

aren't any freedom enemy or woman exploiting in west??and how can we blame all west about some extrem wrong people????

Quoting MrX67:

how we can blame a whole system about some extrems or fundamenatlists?And who can defend if somethings goin wrong or if someone using holy beliefs for make darker others life,but we all have to gave up this social phobia by to be against all injustices and wrongs,and i have to say that finally still planty happy Muslim women or girls with their own life style and own rights.Aad example musn't be generalize i think????...

Quoting Elisabeth:

But even if Islam is reformed there is a fundamental problem with the fact that most Islamic people believe that the Quran is the exact word of God. That doesn't leave much room for change.

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting MrX67:

not only for a few ones...

Quoting azade:

That is tragic
I do wonder where exactly in islam the authorities find grounds for this punishment? The part that says that any journalists protesting to the sentence also will be punished is a good hint that it's nothing more than the crazy (I want to use a stronger word) laws of a just as crazy government
Hopefully with enough attention from the international community it won't be carried out anyway.

Quoting azade:

.... now there's one country I'll never go to

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting peace train:

Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting azade: .... now there's one country I'll never go to Afghanistan is home to some of the rarest and most beautiful bulbous plants in the world.

Quoting AEnigma III:

An Afghan journalist has been sentenced to death for downloading...guess what?

Pornography?
Child porn?
Anti-muslim material?

NO NO! For downloading material about women's rights in an Islamic society.

THIS is the lengths some men will go to to keep their power. Women who say there are no women's rights issues that affect them, indirectly support it.

Please note that this is also the regime that the US/UK are supporting. They should get the hell out of there....

EDIT: I made a mistake of course in the above. The downloaded material IS anti-islam because it is about women's rights and therefore is considered blasphemy.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/7204341.stm

Quoting Inankur:

DIFFERENCE NEEDS TO BE MADE BETWEEN ISLAM AND EXTREMIST ISLAM ( mainly Arabic culture )

Quoting KeithL:

Quoting KeithL:

Please read the next post, Post 47. I was absolutely kidding trying to lighten the whole anti-islam theme. Yes. Very horrible no matter how you look at religion.

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting AlphaF:

However the book itself says Islam is a universal religion, not meant exclusively for Arabs..

What we should go by is the Quran itself, and our own understanding of it....Not by what Arabs, or others, tell us.

Quoting KeithL:

I recently read a book that made it sound as if the islam religion was made for arabs. In the book, Muhammed was quoted as saying that the Jews had their book, the Christians had their book and this was book was for the Arabs.

Quoting incişka:

Quoting incişka:

I think these problems are mostly because the civil muslims are ignorant about their religions. Many of them havent read the whole Quran for themselves or never pondered over a verse from the Quran and a hadith that they read. It is all left to the religious seniors/authorities' comments and decisions, as if the other ppl dont have their own brains to think and decide. And those seniors/authorities (or whatever they can be called), carried away with the pleasure of power they have over these ignorant ppl, do whatever they want and whatever that sounds right to them! Of course, there may be points that one cannot understand without the comments of someone else, but they should be careful who they are taking the comments from. This is not only to do with Islam. Christianity experienced this case centuries ago as well, with the power of churches over ppl. The difference is that the Chritianity sorted it out but Islam still suffers it.

Quoting incişka:

I think these problems are mostly because the civil muslims are ignorant about their religions. Many of them havent read the whole Quran for themselves or never pondered over a verse from the Quran and a hadith that they read. It is all left to the religious seniors/authorities' comments and decisions, as if the other ppl dont have their own brains to think and decide. And those seniors/authorities (or whatever they can be called), carried away with the pleasure of power they have over these ignorant ppl, do whatever they want and whatever that sounds right to them! Of course, there may be points that one cannot understand without the comments of someone else, but they should be careful who they are taking the comments from. This is not only to do with Islam. Christianity experienced this case centuries ago as well, with the power of churches over ppl. The difference is that the Chritianity sorted it out but Islam still suffers it.

Quoting KeithL:

Quoting alameda:

look at your post in this thread

"13. catwoman
3957 posts 01 Feb 2008 Fri 08:06 am

Quoting ciko:

oki doki i went to mosque today so i feel like i have to defend Islam

So THAT'S how it works! You go to the mosque and come back brainwashed! "

I think the fact that you don't even realize or recognize how your comments are is a serious problem. You have serious issues with Islam yourself and can hardly be considered neutral participant.

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting alameda:

I have never expected everyone to agree with me, I do expect to be treated with respect and dignity. As for my religiosity, that is my personal issue. I have never proclaimed here exactly what I practice, or if I even practice. My point is: mutual respect is in order, if we want a peaceful world.

Quoting catwoman:

....I would stress the word mutual here. I have not offended anybody in my post, I joked about what ciko said, maybe being a bit sarcastic about religion there, but I am free to think and say that maybe the mosque brainwashes people, don't you think? You again took it as an insult!

Quoting alameda:

Your post was "So THAT'S how it works! You go to the mosque and come back brainwashed! " <--< Note: there was no maybe in it.

"I have not offended anybody in my post" <--< are you sure?

This is not a matter of what you can do in the name of "Free Speech", it's rather a matter of good manners. You know,

Etiquette

In this forum we are dealing with an international community that have different standards of social behavior. We can't expect everyone to understand sarcastic humor.

Quoting alameda:

Your post was "So THAT'S how it works! You go to the mosque and come back brainwashed! " <--< Note: there was no maybe in it.

"I have not offended anybody in my post" <--< are you sure?

This is not a matter of what you can do in the name of "Free Speech", it's rather a matter of good manners. You know,

Etiquette

In this forum we are dealing with an international community that have different standards of social behavior. We can't expect everyone to understand sarcastic humor.

Quoting girleegirl:

Quoting catwoman:

I would definitely agree that there are some examples of lack of mutual understanding (although I still would like to see what exactly they are), but what I find very strange is that Alameda keeps on talking about mutual respect... yet, she never mentions anything that the other side might have done wrong :-S. According to her they are always right about everything and it's always all our fault.... This is hardly fair and far from true.

Quoting geniuda:

Sorry Alameda, but dont you think he also failed to follow those rules?

Quoting alameda:

A yes, girleegirl....that paragon of etiquette and moderation. How nice to hear from you again. May I suggest you read this sentance again....I will repost it here to make it simpler for you

"In this forum we are dealing with an international community that have different standards of social behavior. We can't expect everyone to understand sarcastic humor."

Cultural Differences