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TLC Website Poll
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18 Mar 2008 Tue 09:42 pm |
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Quoting elham:
YES to YES
NO to NO
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I didnt know TWO votes were allowed 
That is why I never voted  .. I could not give only one vote..
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18 Mar 2008 Tue 10:45 pm |
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Quoting caliptrix: Not anti Turkish, not "too" anti Islam, but yes a bit anti Islam. |
I think that there are as many people here who like Islam as there are people who are critical of Islam. However, whenever criticism of Islam is said, that person is immediately labeled as being anti-Islam. That's just a sign of intolerance of anybody who has different opinions and beliefs.
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18 Mar 2008 Tue 11:01 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: I think that there are as many people here who like Islam as there are people who are critical of Islam. However, whenever criticism of Islam is said, that person is immediately labeled as being anti-Islam. That's just a sign of intolerance of anybody who has different opinions and beliefs. |
The problem is when people who do not have any real knowledge regarding the issue give uninformed statements about Islam. These people come with prejudices that they present as the facts.
Also, you do not see people here being critical of any other religion. I have seen no such threads regarding Judaism or Christianity, Hinduism, Atheism, Buddhism or any other religion. It's just uninformed people talking about what they perceive to be part of Islamic faith.
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18 Mar 2008 Tue 11:15 pm |
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Once again you are broad-banding and making a very generalized and simplistic statement. How do you know what other members knowledge base of Islam is? Maybe that is your perception, but, you have no clue.
When you…and others…post your “informational†links, aren’t they skewed to your belief system? That doesn’t make them any more fact or anymore correct than anyone else’s OPINION.
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19 Mar 2008 Wed 12:04 am |
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And it was your opinion that there was not anti-islamic comments on the site. Obviously, others feel like comments have crossed the line. Everyone has their individual threshold of tolerence for sensitive subjects. I dont even know what you are going on about anymore. This isn't even about a specific point anymore...
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19 Mar 2008 Wed 12:43 am |
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Although, there is a lot of people who did think yes. They voiced there opinions on this and left the site, so they are unable to take part in this poll. I still speak to quite a few on msn who left for this reason.
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19 Mar 2008 Wed 01:22 am |
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Quoting KeithL: And it was your opinion that there was not anti-islamic comments on the site. Obviously, others feel like comments have crossed the line. Everyone has their individual threshold of tolerence for sensitive subjects. I dont even know what you are going on about anymore. This isn't even about a specific point anymore... |
Keith what are you talking about? Are you suggesting that my response to alameda is anti-Islamic????????? If you are, you better read it again!
My point was very direct in addressing a comment made by alameda disparaging the intelligence of anyone who speaks out against Islam.
And let’s get one thing straight here….the group that started all this “anti-Islam†rhetoric was asked by the administrators and a few other members, including myself, to show us examples of this so that we can understand what you are talking about. What was your response? That we should let it go? Brilliant!
Your group wants to educate us when we aren’t asking for it, so why not educate us when we actually are asking for it!!
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19 Mar 2008 Wed 01:54 am |
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Quoting alameda: The problem is when people who do not have any real knowledge regarding the issue give uninformed statements about Islam. These people come with prejudices that they present as the facts.
Also, you do not see people here being critical of any other religion. I have seen no such threads regarding Judaism or Christianity, Hinduism, Atheism, Buddhism or any other religion. It's just uninformed people talking about what they perceive to be part of Islamic faith. |
Alameda, I find this to be a rather ignorant and condescending post. There are people who do know a lot about Islam who criticize it, there is/was NO criticism that was ever good enough for you and others. On top of that, many people only pointed out specific practices and events that they criticized, that was NOT good enough for you either. You still label those people ignorant and anti-Islam - which is basically a cop-out because of the fact taht you cannot discuss these topics rationally. You have not been able to point out even a single example of somebody here being anti-Islam, all you've pointed out was an example of your own intolerance of people who disagree with you.
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19 Mar 2008 Wed 01:56 am |
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Quoting KeithL: And it was your opinion that there was not anti-islamic comments on the site. Obviously, others feel like comments have crossed the line. Everyone has their individual threshold of tolerence for sensitive subjects. I dont even know what you are going on about anymore. This isn't even about a specific point anymore... |
I believe girleegirl responded to alameda's post without making general comments about this site.
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19 Mar 2008 Wed 02:13 am |
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I have explained on several occasions that I am not a believer. Nevertheless, I believe criticism directed towards religions from those who are not essentially involved in that religion is nothing but a violation of personal freedoms of those people.
You can come up with lots of arguments to criticize the Hindus, Buddhists,Muslims,Christians and Jews. This is not something unheard of. Muslims do this to Jews and vice versa. Many countries split because of differences in faith,ethnicity and culture e.g. India - Pakistan and Yugoslavia. What that criticism has served is a huge question mark.
I believe faith should remain between the believer and the believed. Regimes must not impose a certain belief onto people. Both in Europe and here in Turkey this mistake was made repeatedly. The palace and Anatolia diverged into different sects. The result was a large scale cleansing operation that claimed the lives of hundreds of thousands of people over the centuries. The Nazi Germany detested the Jews living in their country, the Serbian snipers barbarously massacred their Bosnian brothers and neighbors. The cause was religion; religion claimed more lives than fatal epidemic diseases did.
If a woman prefers to wear a veil just because her free mind tells her that she should then no one can stop her from doing that. If however there is oppression in her country and if she is denied of free choice therefore, all the women and men in the world must do something to set her free. Should we send tanks and war planes or drop bombs to achieve that? Should we feed our greed by stealing the resources of other countries taking advantage of their weaknesses? This is what is happening out there.
We must be looking forward to a fairer world. How will the world be fair if we cannot become fairer towards others ourselves?
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19 Mar 2008 Wed 02:21 am |
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Good points, Vineyards. Thanks.
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