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Şark Islahat Planı 1925
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24 Apr 2008 Thu 07:16 pm |
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Quoting janissary: """"Şark Islahat Planı 1925 """" 
thank you. I didnt know this coz my history teacher was pregnant when we came to this topic ... what is the other subject? Big miedle east project??? btw where where u from handsom in turkey???????????? |
Do u think that EVERYTHING is written in history books? If there was such a plan, it would of course be a secret one. At least, Handsom has got references to it. And he wanted to share. Have u got references to support yourself too? I will never be sure on some historical issues cos they are presented to us in the way "some" people want. But that doesnt mean this şark ıslahat planı should be a lie. It is all matter of history now anyway... It was in 1925 We better look at present and to the future.
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24 Apr 2008 Thu 07:43 pm |
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Quoting incişka: Quoting janissary: """"Şark Islahat Planı 1925 """"
thank you. I didnt know this coz my history teacher was pregnant when we came to this topic... what is the other subject? Big miedle east project??? btw where where u from handsom in turkey???????????? |
Do u think that EVERYTHING is written in history books? If there was such a plan, it would of course be a secret one. At least, Handsom has got references to it. And he wanted to share. Have u got references to support yourself too? I will never be sure on some historical issues cos they are presented to us in the way "some" people want. But that doesnt mean this şark ıslahat planı should be a lie. It is all matter of history now anyway... It was in 1925 We better look at present and to the future. |
ah I see inçiska, good point I look at present and to future like you. and I see none of these. I havent seen any immigration to east of turkey from other places to change kurdish ppl. now istanbul, izmir, mersin are the most crowded kurdish cities like east of turkey. no immigration, no assimilation but there are many maps which show kurdish states. I dont take serious this man who started this topic, he is such a man talks about kurdish ppl and their rights but he cant not say where he is from is he kurdish or not?
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24 Apr 2008 Thu 08:04 pm |
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we are not talking about history of 100 years here.
We are talking about our recent history and the present time here.
Just look at the events of last 25 years, look at what we have been doing in the east..
Are we not the people said in 1980's that 'there is no such a thing called kurd'? eh?
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24 Apr 2008 Thu 08:16 pm |
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Quoting thehandsom: we are not talking about history of 100 years here.
We are talking about our recent history and the present time here.
Just look at the events of last 25 years, look at what we have been doing in the east..
Are we not the people said in 1980's that 'there is no such a thing called kurd'? eh?
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yes Im looking of events of last 25 years, for you last 50 years. what changed? kurdish ppl are more crowded in their cities. even the biggest cities of turkey are most crowded kurdish cities. what happened if someone said 'there is no such a thing called kurd'? just something changed some ppl prefered terrorism, coz they used this issue for their aims and claimed same things as u did now. I know u like searching history, search from a different view, u will find enough documents about games that some contries play in this region...
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24 Apr 2008 Thu 08:29 pm |
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Quoting janissary: Quoting thehandsom: we are not talking about history of 100 years here.
We are talking about our recent history and the present time here.
Just look at the events of last 25 years, look at what we have been doing in the east..
Are we not the people said in 1980's that 'there is no such a thing called kurd'? eh?
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yes Im looking of events of last 25 years, for you last 50 years. what changed? kurdish ppl are more crowded in their cities. even the biggest cities of turkey are most crowded kurdish cities. what happened if someone said 'there is no such a thing called kurd'? just something changed some ppl prefered terrorism, coz they used this issue for their aims and claimed same things as u did now. I know u like searching history, search from a different view, u will find enough documents about games that some contries play in this region... |
What?
would you accept if someone said to you 'there is no such a thing called Turkish?'
There might be some games..I do accept that..
But you have to accept the fact that the biggest game is played in our borders!!
The problem is IN Turkey. Not in Norther Iraq or in EU or in USA.
And the biggest problem is our oppressing nationalism.
Why do you think the western cities populated heavily with the kurds? do you have any idea?
have you ever accured to you that it might be related to 'we emptied more than 4000 villages (mainly burnt) there? or we made the life hell for them in the east'?
Do you know how many turture case being recorded from that area?
Do you know anything about what happened in diyarbakir jail in 1980s?
Do you have any idea how many kurds got killed by our own army or by militias during this last 25 years?
How many rapes, how many turtures? any idea?
How many people dissapeared?
Whatever angle you want me to look, no angle will justify what we have been doing there for last 25 years.
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24 Apr 2008 Thu 08:41 pm |
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what??? u mean terrorists are all right, are u defending terrorism? (Sorry moderators, I didnt mean something personal attack, just asking)
why didnt u count what terrorists did last 25 years? they burnt villages, killed children, women,,, fired houses, fired buses with innocent ppl in, killed teachers, nurses, doctors who came there for serving, prevented children to go to schools, forced kurdish ppl for helping them. bombed big cities without looking there turk, kurd, laz, english around. so turkey is guilty coz Turkey tries to defend civilians? only turkey is guilty. but Terrorists come to villages with flowers???
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24 Apr 2008 Thu 08:45 pm |
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Quoting thehandsom: Quoting janissary: Quoting thehandsom: we are not talking about history of 100 years here.
We are talking about our recent history and the present time here.
Just look at the events of last 25 years, look at what we have been doing in the east..
Are we not the people said in 1980's that 'there is no such a thing called kurd'? eh?
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yes Im looking of events of last 25 years, for you last 50 years. what changed? kurdish ppl are more crowded in their cities. even the biggest cities of turkey are most crowded kurdish cities. what happened if someone said 'there is no such a thing called kurd'? just something changed some ppl prefered terrorism, coz they used this issue for their aims and claimed same things as u did now. I know u like searching history, search from a different view, u will find enough documents about games that some contries play in this region... |
What?
would you accept if someone said to you 'there is no such a thing called Turkish?'
There might be some games..I do accept that..
But you have to accept the fact that the biggest game is played in our borders!!
The problem is IN Turkey. Not in Norther Iraq or in EU or in USA.
And the biggest problem is our oppressing nationalism.
Why do you think the western cities populated heavily with the kurds? do you have any idea?
have you ever accured to you that it might be related to 'we emptied more than 4000 villages (mainly burnt) there? or we made the life hell for them in the east'?
Do you know how many turture case being recorded from that area?
Do you know anything about what happened in diyarbakir jail in 1980s?
Do you have any idea how many kurds got killed by our own army or by militias during this last 25 years?
How many rapes, how many turtures? any idea?
How many people dissapeared?
Whatever angle you want me to look, no angle will justify what we have been doing there for last 25 years.
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well i dont like this + 100000 thing much but i have nothing to add nor object in this... you just put it very clearly and truly so;
+10000000000000000000000000
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24 Apr 2008 Thu 08:53 pm |
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Quoting janissary: what??? u mean terrorists are all right, are u defending terrorism? (Sorry moderators, I didnt mean something personal attack, just asking)
why didnt u count what terrorists did last 25 years? they burnt villages, killed children, women,,, fired houses, fired buses with innocent ppl in, killed teachers, nurses, doctors who came there for serving, prevented children to go to schools, forced kurdish ppl for helping them. bombed big cities without looking there turk, kurd, laz, english around. so turkey is guilty coz Turkey tries to defend civilians? only turkey is guilty. but Terrorists come to villages with flowers??? |
Can you see anything BUT ANYTHING in what I wrote, says that I am supporting or defending terorism?
I am telling you what has been hapening.
How come you always come up with this bizzare idea that 'supporting terrorism' when somebody tells you the things which are more different than what you hear in news channels in Turkey?
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24 Apr 2008 Thu 09:02 pm |
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Quoting janissary:
ah I see inçiska, good point I look at present and to future like you. and I see none of these. I havent seen any immigration to east of turkey from other places to change kurdish ppl. now istanbul, izmir, mersin are the most crowded kurdish cities like east of turkey. no immigration, no assimilation but there are many maps which show kurdish states. I dont take serious this man who started this topic, he is such a man talks about kurdish ppl and their rights but he cant not say where he is from is he kurdish or not? |
That the immigration to the east didnt take place doesnt prove that this PLAN didnt exist. It only proves it didnt work well maybe?
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24 Apr 2008 Thu 11:34 pm |
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Quoting thehandsom: Quoting janissary: what??? u mean terrorists are all right, are u defending terrorism? (Sorry moderators, I didnt mean something personal attack, just asking)
why didnt u count what terrorists did last 25 years? they burnt villages, killed children, women,,, fired houses, fired buses with innocent ppl in, killed teachers, nurses, doctors who came there for serving, prevented children to go to schools, forced kurdish ppl for helping them. bombed big cities without looking there turk, kurd, laz, english around. so turkey is guilty coz Turkey tries to defend civilians? only turkey is guilty. but Terrorists come to villages with flowers??? |
Can you see anything BUT ANYTHING in what I wrote, says that I am supporting or defending terorism?
I am telling you what has been hapening.
How come you always come up with this bizzare idea that 'supporting terrorism' when somebody tells you the things which are more different than what you hear in news channels in Turkey? |
BECAUSE u are one sided. u only say that turkey is guilty. but I havent heard anything from you that what did terrorism cause in this region. why u pass what terrorist did??? we dont learn everything from news as you. coz we have many friends who had military duty there, we hear all these from ppl who lived these. so how come u claim u know everything about this, have u ever been there or are u one of the people, lived these??? are u living in this region now? why are you trying to provoke foreign ppl against turkey with ur one sided thoughts??? Really what is ur problem with Turkey?
you and ur friends call me racist, but when I call u sympathzer coz of your one sided thoughts, I m being warned by ur moderator friends.
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25 Apr 2008 Fri 11:06 am |
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Handsom, Now I wish I hadnt replied to your topic The topic has turned into something else than its main point now :-S
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