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Şark Islahat Planı 1925
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25 Apr 2008 Fri 11:06 am |
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Handsom, Now I wish I hadnt replied to your topic  The topic has turned into something else than its main point now :-S
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25 Apr 2008 Fri 11:44 am |
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Quoting incişka: Handsom, Now I wish I hadnt replied to your topic The topic has turned into something else than its main point now :-S |
we already know what is the main point of this topic. They are trying to do something but cant say it openly. with his posts he tries to show he is objective, but when u look at carefully, he always gives examples from one side. and always topics about kurdish and turkey. he doesnt say anything whether he is kurdish or not, coz he tries to show himself very objective about things. if he said where he was from his posts wont take much attention. it s really interesting that he behaves as if he is foreigner and learn everything with others. it s sad that some foreign friends cant see that, I m sure someone who lived in turkey for a while, would see that most of his told u are untrue. I advice u to look at around when u come to turkey again, u will see kurdish ppl around everywhere, working, studying with others. Im sure that if u all foreign ppl believed what handsom said about turkey, u wouldnt like to come turkey.
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25 Apr 2008 Fri 01:12 pm |
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Quoting janissary: Quoting inciska: handsom, now i wish i hadnt replied to your topic the topic has turned into something else than its main point now :-s |
we already know what is the main point of this topic. they are trying to do something but cant say it openly. with his posts he tries to show he is objective, but when u look at carefully, he always gives examples from one side. and always topics about kurdish and turkey. he doesnt say anything whether he is kurdish or not, coz he tries to show himself very objective about things. if he said where he was from his posts wont take much attention. it s really interesting that he behaves as if he is foreigner and learn everything with others. it s sad that some foreign friends cant see that, i m sure someone who lived in turkey for a while, would see that most of his told u are untrue. i advice u to look at around when u come to turkey again, u will see kurdish ppl around everywhere, working, studying with others. im sure that if u all foreign ppl believed what handsom said about turkey, u wouldnt like to come turkey. |
Look now janissary, you are making it personal towards me.
Stop being paranoid and try to look at the things from wider angle. other wise you will stay as thick as a log like most common racists, with nationalism as an icing, do. (i am sorry but you are forcing me to write these things and i am hating to write like this )
I am not the person ALWAYS opening kurdish subject. This topic was a response to some of the posts mentioning 'there was never ever an asimilation or bad treatment toward kurds'.
This post, I was hoping, would silence them and let them know that THERE WAS. And it is documented.
The idea of this post was a message to those: 'with less lies we live with is better'
I quite like to think that I am objective. I am trying at least.
I am not a foreigner.
I am a Turk. I am not behaving like as if I am a foreigner either. I already mentioned in previous posts that I am trying to be quite mild here.
When I was in Turkey, I would simple brush all the racist and nationalist elements as being fascists and not worthy of talking to them. I would criticize the government/ the police, the army with really harsh words.
You keep saying that what I write here is untrue. Look at your posts here.
Did you write anything about if this document existed or not?
Did you argue anything about what was written on those documents?
The answer is NO. because you have no argument. you have nothing to say..
Just accusing people being enemy of Turkey.. that is all.
And it is myth that criticizing your country (or telling the truth about your country) will stop making people love Turkey.
However, if you keep posting these so called nationalist feelings, everybody will start to think Turkey is full of racists people, which I dont want to believe, is the case.
But in the end,
we all grew up with the poems in primary schools like:
'Atalarim gökten yere indirmisler ayyildizi
Bir buluta sarmislar ki, rengi safaktan kirmizi'
translation is ======
'my ancestors brought down the crescent and the star, from sky to earth
they wrapped them into a cloud redder than dawn'
So, I dont think it is surprising to see some of us, who grew up with these poems, getting angry with the people whom they think, they are 'the enemy' and attack them 'heroically'..
I will repeat again:
less lies we live with is better
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25 Apr 2008 Fri 01:28 pm |
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Quoting thehandsom: And it is myth that criticizing your country (or telling the truth about your country) will stop making people love Turkey.
However, if you keep posting these so called nationalist feelings, everybody will start to think Turkey is full of racists people, which I dont want to believe, is the case.
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This is so true. Humour, open mindedness and rationality certainly sell it to me better than blind intolerance, hate, rudeness and inability to stand criticism.
Great post thehandsome 
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25 Apr 2008 Fri 02:46 pm |
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Quoting magnadea: Quoting thehandsom: And it is myth that criticizing your country (or telling the truth about your country) will stop making people love Turkey.
However, if you keep posting these so called nationalist feelings, everybody will start to think Turkey is full of racists people, which I dont want to believe, is the case.
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This is so true. Humour, open mindedness and rationality certainly sell it to me better than blind intolerance, hate, rudeness and inability to stand criticism.
Great post thehandsome |
Thank you for bring a certain "status quo" back into this thread.
I love Turkey and and the Turkish people I know and undoubtedly they have political views that I would not necessarily agree with or understand, just the same as I have friends in the UK whose politics I do not agree with and likewise they would not agree with mine. We cannot agree with everyone all of the time about everything, but that does not make one right or the other wrong. Also it does not (or should not) stop people from being friends.
Nothing that is said above would stop most people coming to Turkey, they make their own minds up and generally when you visit a country it is for reasons other than politics.
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25 Apr 2008 Fri 02:50 pm |
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Whatever I posted is not a personal attack. I just want ppl see why u always post these? why u are one sided. about documents. I dont need any document to show you, coz I have realities, not papers. I have friends, students, neighbors. when I look at around I see that u are just trying to provoke! dont worry if this is a personal attack, moderators will warn me as usual. Im not racist or nationalist, I m just trying to show what s going on turkey and what some ppl who live abroad tell foreign ppl about turkey. in school, we learnt to love our country and work for it. if this is nastionlism, nationalism is the best thing in the world. u start this topics then u say I dont open this subjects, u are very interesting! I post a song, then u say it s stolen even our national anthem is stolen. what it changes if the music is belongs to someone else. once I thought u will say " I wrote national anthem, not mehmet akif ersoy"  ) u are just trying to be oblective but u are not. u have anger in ur mind. that s why u try to offend turkish ppl with these posts.
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25 Apr 2008 Fri 02:56 pm |
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Of course it is good to love your country, but loving it also means you care about the WRONGS as well as the RIGHTS? Maybe you DO care, and you DO see faults, but you think that you must only present your country's good side to non-Turkish people 
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25 Apr 2008 Fri 03:23 pm |
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Quoting magnadea: Of course it is good to love your country, but loving it also means you care about the WRONGS as well as the RIGHTS? Maybe you DO care, and you DO see faults, but you think that you must only present your country's good side to non-Turkish people |
do u think those ppl care about their WRONGS??? no... of course there are wrong things in turkey, I accept this, here is not heaven! I try to show beauties of turkey and beauties of differences in turkey. But some ppl just try to show bad things, not good things. I havent heard any good thing from them, they always criticize culture, festivals, anthems, songs, state, ,Ataturk, our history,,,etc. what does it mean then? why nobody say them especially Admin or moderator, stop being offend others????
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25 Apr 2008 Fri 03:27 pm |
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Quoting janissary: do u think those ppl care about their WRONGS??? no... of course there are wrong things in turkey, I accept this, here is not heaven! I try to show beauties of turkey and beauties of differences in turkey. But some ppl just try to show bad things, not good things. I havent heard any good thing from them, they always criticize culture, festivals, anthems, songs, state, ,Ataturk, our history,,,etc. what does it mean then? why nobody say them especially Admin or moderator, stop being offend others???? |
I have seen "those people" post positive things about culture, festivals, songs, history etc.
Maybe you can only remember the posts which criticise Turkey because those are the ones which, for some strange reason, make you so angry? I find your patriotism rather fanatical. I love my country too and could talk endlessly about its beauty, but I am also happy to discuss it's many faults!
I think you would prefer Turkish Class to be state-run 
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25 Apr 2008 Fri 03:58 pm |
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janis has it never crossed your mind that maybe we criticize some things about Turkey because we want them to change, to benefit all the citizens in the country? This is the way problems are dealt with. In a supposedly democratic country there shold be no need to stress this point, as it should be natural.
If you keep closing your eyes and denying the past (and present might I add), the problem will never be solved. It has been escalating for so long now, it's time to something about it. Don't you see it's tearing up the country? It is for your own good that you face up to reality and show willingness to make peace. The kurds who want to break free of Turkey are never going to put their arms down, and regular kurds are never going to have respect and acknowledge turkish rule when the wrongs that have so obviouusly been done to them are not being recognised even today.
This is something for all hardcore nationalists to chew on.
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25 Apr 2008 Fri 04:31 pm |
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Quoting azade: janis has it never crossed your mind that maybe we criticize some things about Turkey because we want them to change, to benefit all the citizens in the country? This is the way problems are dealt with. In a supposedly democratic country there shold be no need to stress this point, as it should be natural.
If you keep closing your eyes and denying the past (and present might I add), the problem will never be solved. It has been escalating for so long now, it's time to something about it. Don't you see it's tearing up the country? It is for your own good that you face up to reality and show willingness to make peace. The kurds who want to break free of Turkey are never going to put their arms down, and regular kurds are never going to have respect and acknowledge turkish rule when the wrongs that have so obviouusly been done to them are not being recognised even today.
This is something for all hardcore nationalists to chew on. |
I dont think u have enough knowledge about all turkey. u just tell what u hear from ur kurdish friends. u say different in ur fisrt post then u change ur mind I say a different thing. I havent said anything wrong to kurdish ppl on this site. before criticizing me, first read what I post. u dont read anything then u blame me as being racist. I always said that kurdish ppl are one of the elements of this country, turkey has differences in it. and these differiences creates turkey beauty (turkish, kurdish, laz, etc). Im not against other nations. I just say main problem is TERRORİSM, not kurdish ppl, terrorism is the enemy of humanity not ony turkish ppl, terrorism kill kurdish ppl also. why u dont wanna understand????? if someone supports terrorism u can not talk with him or solve any problems, at first ppl must choose a peace way, without any weapon, u can not get any right with bombing cities. Al-qaide bombed tower, what they got, NOTHİNG!!! they did the worst thing for islam and muslims! there are injustice for everybody in turkey,, not only for kurdish ppl, there are in justice for me too, but nothing give anyone to kill innocent ppl. if u wanna solve problems, there is democracy and a parlimenters in Assembly. I distinguish TERRORİSM AND KURDİSH PPL, Im just against terrorism nothing else. please dont show me racist to others.
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