Quoting catwoman:

Explain that more please. I'm really curious what you think his 'agenda', other then just saying what he thinks, is.

Quoting Daydreamer:

Guys, you're free to disagree with him and anyone you wish in the forum, but accusing people of having secret agendas is simply ridiculous and weakens the message of your posts.

Quoting Daydreamer:

If Handsom's agenda is to corrupt Turkey's image then yours must be showing how wonderful, non-nationalistic, non-brainwashed, allowing everyone express their opinions in public your country is.

Quoting Daydreamer:

What I gather from discussions like yours is that the fear and hatred towards 'the others' (those who dare to express their thoughts freely) is a proof of your nationalism. You just have to have enemies...How sad...

Quoting thehandsom:

The concept of 'foreign powers, dark forces, foreign elements, pressing of a button, secret agenda, seeds of discord etc' were invented long time ago in 70s and 80s.

*They are the ones trying to divide Turkey
*They are the ones made us lost the WWI when Germany lost
*They are the ones made Turks and Kurds enemy of each other while we were living peacefully.
*They caused the entire ermenian thing
*They are the ones who are trying to enter the unis with their turbans
*They are trying to convert our people to cristianity with those missionaries.
*They placed the entire left/right problem into Turkey years ago
*They are the people having a button somewhere in EU and USA and pressing on when Turkey does well.
*They have budgets and pay the enemy of Turks in other countries.
*They killed Ugur Mumcu, Hrant Dink etc
*They are behind the energy problem of Turkey and the death of labours in Tuzla Dockyard-It is a recent invention btw-

Quoting thehandsom:

I am still expecting, somebody will come up with the idea that 'farting problem after eating too much kuru fasulye' is the result of 'dark forces' as well.

Quoting thehandsom:

You seem to forget what we have done to Kurds/Armenians/Greeks and what we are still doing to the kurds which seems to the only crowded ethnic group.

Quoting cynicmystic:

Sure that many has disappeared.

What I would like to ask you is this.

In other places, such as North America, Western Europe and China, haven't people been dissappearing as well. Authoritarianism is everywhere, and criticisizing Turkey as if it is the only country in the worlds suffering from this is pointless.

How do you feel about the UK deriving 1/3 of its income from international arm sales, which eventually leads to war & oppression? Do I need to mention Guantanamo Bay? The Brazilian shot to death in the London subway, the Polish guy tasered to death by the Canadian airport police, or the numerous cases of police brutality from Europe or north America. There people going missing all over the world. Whenever you challenge or pose a risk to the established status-quo, you are eliminated.

Talking about these problems as if they are political issues that can be resolved with the right kind of legislation is not only annoying, but is naive.

If you live in a glass house, don't cast stones at your neighbour! The social issues you highlight are happening all over the world. So, don't single out Turkey as an example. All of our governments are equally involved in everything at the upper levels.

Perhaps it is about time to wake up...

Quoting armegon:

Quoting thehandsom:

Quoting armegon:

Ask Mr.thehandsom , im sure he knows what im putting forward moderator . Im too lazy to find some articles to post here at the moment.

Quote:

This is one of the current trends which foreign admirer liberals began to voice in media during the past several years. They are taking lessons for this in Europe . A propaganda method to develop insensible, unconcerned people who are kept sleep with TV series or any kind of pursuit.

Quoting cynicmystic:

You ought to be kidding...

First, you post replies to people (that's me in this case) without even bothering to read what they have written (what I had written in this case.) Then, having realized how ridicuolous you must have sounded with your first post, you confess to not having read my post in the first place, go back to read it, and with your half-understanding, you still attempt to shove words down people's throats. Do you really expect people to take you seriously when you post responses without knowing what you are responding to, since you haven't bothered to read?

On the contrary to your comprehension, what my post shows is not dissidence against anyone who criticizes Turkey. I am under the impresion that you still haven't bothered to read the post.

Regarding your fine example of comparing Turkey to Russia, where dissidents disappear over night, I regret to say that I don't agree with that statement either. Anyone who has ever been to Russia & Turkey knows very well that Turkey has never been as oppressive as the Cold War Era Russia.

I also love the way you make all these phoney assumptions about how we have been taught to "hate" each other.

You sound like you have been taught to hate a lot more than we do.

Quoting cynicmystic:

Talk about what ever you like...

It is just that those things that you relate to Turkey are not unique to Turkey. The examples that you suggest as role models are suffering from the exact same problems.

That's what i meant by it is perhaps time to wake up...

The world has gone to "shits" my friend. There is no European model, or the American Dream in a world smeared with hypocrasy. Your examples serve no social purpose. You are just renaming a global epidemic.

Quoting libralady:

I am a little upset here. I feel left out. Is it that I am insignificant in this one sided battle between Cynic wotsit and Catwoman over the virtues of Thehandsom and his new country? How can I be noticed in between the glorisouly LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG posts (Yawn!!)

All I ask is, who is Mustafa Akyol ................ please? And no, I refuse to google!

Quoting armegon:

Yeah i am free to disagree but i am not accusing anyone, i just voiced what i sense and it has nothing to do weakening the message of my posts.

Quoting armegon:

, simple thinking, im not trying to show anything to anyone, i just try to response the posts here. Have u ever seen me starting a thread like u mentioned in this biased forum?

Quoting armegon:

And what i gather from the discussions like yours is that the fear and hatred towards the people who love their country even the girls here who has Turkish/Kurdish lovers. I have problems with the ones who think instead of Turks as they try to mention that they know everything better, arrogantly and i have problems with the domestics who are flatterers and who are ungratefuls.

Quoting armegon:

This is one of the current trends which foreign admirer liberals began to voice in media during the past several years. They are taking lessons for this in Europe . A propaganda method to develop insensible, unconcerned people who are kept sleep with TV series or any kind of pursuit.

Quoting thehandsom: