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Russian tanks enter South Ossetia
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20.       Trudy
7887 posts
 11 Aug 2008 Mon 02:21 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

You seem to be obsessed with ´vinager´ Trudy..

 

 

 

 

 Only for those who deserve it.

21.       teaschip
3870 posts
 11 Aug 2008 Mon 07:52 pm

Is the old U.S.S.R. returning? Is this resurgence of military power a sign?  What are your thoughts?

22.       teaschip
3870 posts
 11 Aug 2008 Mon 09:59 pm

I wonder if Turkey would intervene and help the Georgians, however I doubt it since they are not a sufficient interest to them.. ):

23.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 12 Aug 2008 Tue 10:45 am

Actually the argument Russia´s using is just like the one US used to justify their presence in Iraq. They call themselves peace-warrants in that region. Of course that´s not really why they´re there. It´s all about power. Oil lines from the East go either through Georgia or Russia. Georgia gave Russia a reason to interfere - massacres of Russian citizens in Ossetia. Now Russians say they won´t back down until peace is restored in Georia.

 

It´s not comeback of USSR but it is demonstration of Russia´s power. Also, like I said before, it shows world opinion´s hypocrisy - yesterday I saw an interview with Putin who said that the world didn´t oppose US invasion in Iraq, the reason being doing away with the riegime guilty of a number of deaths. And the same world condemns Russia for entering Georgia that has been burning down whole villages killing its inhabitants. He said the world´d done nothing about the situation in Ossetia and somebody had to protect Russian citizens living there.

 

I am not fond of one country´s intervention in another and I see no high moral ground there but there is some truth to what he said - you can´t support US invasion in Iraq and condemn the Russian one in Georgia, you can´t vote in favour of Kosovo´s independence and claim that Ossetia is an integral part of Georgia´s territory.

24.       teaschip
3870 posts
 12 Aug 2008 Tue 03:29 pm

 

Quoting Daydreamer

Actually the argument Russia´s using is just like the one US used to justify their presence in Iraq. They call themselves peace-warrants in that region. Of course that´s not really why they´re there. It´s all about power. Oil lines from the East go either through Georgia or Russia. Georgia gave Russia a reason to interfere - massacres of Russian citizens in Ossetia. Now Russians say they won´t back down until peace is restored in Georia.

 

It´s not comeback of USSR but it is demonstration of Russia´s power. Also, like I said before, it shows world opinion´s hypocrisy - yesterday I saw an interview with Putin who said that the world didn´t oppose US invasion in Iraq, the reason being doing away with the riegime guilty of a number of deaths. And the same world condemns Russia for entering Georgia that has been burning down whole villages killing its inhabitants. He said the world´d done nothing about the situation in Ossetia and somebody had to protect Russian citizens living there.

 

I am not fond of one country´s intervention in another and I see no high moral ground there but there is some truth to what he said - you can´t support US invasion in Iraq and condemn the Russian one in Georgia, you can´t vote in favour of Kosovo´s independence and claim that Ossetia is an integral part of Georgia´s territory.

 

Is it okay to murder indiscriminately because of what the USA and the UK have done in the past and the present. Does it make it ok?  I´ve seen videos of AlQuada using that same logic when it comes to what the UK did under Queen Victoria. I don´t believe in wholesale murder because people don´t like what happened in the past/present and who our allies are.

 

The moral equivalency comparison has gotten so old it’s lost its usefulness and perpetuates problems, including the position of whose lives has more value than another.

 

25.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 12 Aug 2008 Tue 03:41 pm

Of course it´s not ok to murder. But Georgia gave Russia reason to intervene by slaughtering Russian citizens living in Ossetia. Let´s hope the conflict (war?) over thre will come to an end quickly and no more civilians will get killed or hurt

26.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 12 Aug 2008 Tue 10:05 pm

 

Quoting teaschip

 

 

 

Is it okay to murder indiscriminately because of what the USA and the UK have done in the past and the present. Does it make it ok? I´ve seen videos of AlQuada using that same logic when it comes to what the UK did under Queen Victoria. I don´t believe in wholesale murder because people don´t like what happened in the past/present and who our allies are.

 

The moral equivalency comparison has gotten so old it’s lost its usefulness and perpetuates problems, including the position of whose lives has more value than another.

 

 

 

I think DD is absolutley right.

USA and the UK are at the top of the list when it comes to going to the war  and killing  innocent  people. 

I found it quite  ironic and laugable really when  USA administration says:

"I said this violence is unacceptable" ,  "unacceptable in the 21st Century" " Moscow is guilty of a dramatic and brutal escalation".

 "must not go unanswered" Chaney..

Do they really  think people forgot Iraq and Afghanistan and want people to believe them ?

They are ludicrously funny..{#lang_emotions_lol_fast}

 

27.       catwoman
8933 posts
 12 Aug 2008 Tue 10:12 pm

 

Quoting tamikidakika

the gang is assembling!{#lang_emotions_lol_fast} where is catwoman and the others?

 

I congratulate you on your reply that is right on the topic! This is a response of a desparate losing person who has no reasonable replies left.

 

28.       teaschip
3870 posts
 12 Aug 2008 Tue 10:18 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

I think DD is absolutley right.

USA and the UK are at the top of the list when it comes to going to the war  and killing  innocent  people. 

I found it quite  ironic and laugable really when  USA administration says:

"I said this violence is unacceptable" ,  "unacceptable in the 21st Century" " Moscow is guilty of a dramatic and brutal escalation".

 "must not go unanswered" Chaney..

Do they really  think people forgot Iraq and Afghanistan and want people to believe them ?

They are ludicrously funny..{#lang_emotions_lol_fast}

 

 

But you didn´t find it laughable when Turkey insisted we help them in Northern Iraq with the PKK.  Again, this is the same logic that terrorists use.

29.       catwoman
8933 posts
 12 Aug 2008 Tue 10:20 pm

Didn´t handsom disagree with bombing Northern Iraq? And of course it is very laughable and utter hipocricy when US and UK preach about what is acceptable. The whole world protested against their actions and they didn´t change anything. It´s pathetic.

30.       SuiGeneris
3922 posts
 12 Aug 2008 Tue 10:25 pm

 

Quoting teaschip

 

 

But you didn´t find it laughable when Turkey insisted we help them in Northern Iraq with the PKK.  Again, this is the same logic that terrorists use.

 

 But do you think is it the same with the current issue?

 

And Saarkasvili is very guilty at this step!! He was having bad times at Georgia and he wanted to gurantee next elections with such a stupid move!!!

Russia was very jealous of the pipe line Baku-Tibilisi-Ceyhan and now they have chance to hit it wrongly

 

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