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40.       ciko
784 posts
 12 Aug 2008 Tue 11:45 pm

 

Quoting catwoman

Well yes... Ottoman Empire was invading other countries for their resources, US invaded Iraq for their resources, Russia is invading and I am sure that when China grows stronger, it will invade Taiwan and who knows what else. That is how it is. Only now, Turkey is pointing out injustices, when they are on the receiving end, same with everybody else.

 

We were simply saying that for Bush to tell Russia that what they do is wrong is as if Saudi Arabia was preaching on human rights violations in the UK (which they did).

 

 

 catwoman, can you let us know what kind of resources ottoman was invading other countries for?

41.       catwoman
8933 posts
 13 Aug 2008 Wed 12:14 am

 

Quoting ciko

catwoman, can you let us know what kind of resources ottoman was invading other countries for?

 

Why don´t you read some books and educate yourself first.

 

42.       teaschip
3870 posts
 13 Aug 2008 Wed 12:17 am

 

Quote:

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As catwoman said, I never supported Turkey´s incursion into Northern Iraq. But it is not the issue here.

Your administrations, your country committed the biggest terrorist activities in the world.

You have committed the biggest war crimes since the end of the second world war.

USA´s actions caused millions of people dead in all over the world.

 

Your country is still occupying 2 foreign countries, which are, god knows how many miles from your own soil.

 

And now, your president says "unacceptable in the 21st Century".

 

Now you have me laughing.  The U.S. committed the biggest terrorist activties in the world and the biggest war crimes.  Let´s not forget history handsom and let´s not forget what Saddam did to his own people.  Whether we should have gone into Iraq is debatable, but we certainly didn´t go in to kill thousands of innocent people for the hell of it.  I see it in a totally different light for some of the actions my country has done, has saved MORE lives than they have killed by their actions in the scheme of things.  I don´t agree how long we have been in Iraq, nor can I fathom why my country would think we could bring democracy to a bunch of crazies in the Middle East, but they did.  Forgive us...

43.       ciko
784 posts
 13 Aug 2008 Wed 12:51 am

 

Quoting catwoman

 

 

Why don´t you read some books and educate yourself first.

 

 

 

 well what i read and understood from history books is that judging history according to todays logic and conditions is no better than ignorance. and comparing what f.cking  US government ( not people) is doing in iraq and what ottomans did hundreds of years ago is no better than stupidity.

 

good night turkey,

 

have a good day  America, The Saver of  the World

44.       ciko
784 posts
 13 Aug 2008 Wed 12:55 am

 

Quoting teaschip

 

Quote:

Add quoted text here

As catwoman said, I never supported Turkey´s incursion into Northern Iraq. But it is not the issue here.

Your administrations, your country committed the biggest terrorist activities in the world.

You have committed the biggest war crimes since the end of the second world war.

USA´s actions caused millions of people dead in all over the world.

 

Your country is still occupying 2 foreign countries, which are, god knows how many miles from your own soil.

 

And now, your president says "unacceptable in the 21st Century".

 

Now you have me laughing.  The U.S. committed the biggest terrorist activties in the world and the biggest war crimes.  Let´s not forget history handsom and let´s not forget what Saddam did to his own people.  Whether we should have gone into Iraq is debatable, but we certainly didn´t go in to kill thousands of innocent people for the hell of it.  I see it in a totally different light for some of the actions my country has done, has saved MORE lives than they have killed by their actions in the scheme of things.  I don´t agree how long we have been in Iraq, nor can I fathom why my country would think we could bring democracy to a bunch of crazies in the Middle East, but they did.  Forgive us...

 

 To know that 45 % USA think that Bush just want to bring democracy to middle east is scaring me :S

 

45.       catwoman
8933 posts
 13 Aug 2008 Wed 01:00 am

 

Quoting ciko

well what i read and understood from history books is that judging history according to todays logic and conditions is no better than ignorance. and comparing what f.cking  US government ( not people) is doing in iraq and what ottomans did hundreds of years ago is no better than stupidity.

 

good night turkey,

 

have a good day  America, The Saver of  the World

 

Ciko, the voice of wisdom, don´t comment if you don´t understand please! I strongly encourage you to read more, because I don´t have time to reply to your uneducated posts.

 

(P.S. do not call my posts stupid, because I will have to delete that)

46.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 13 Aug 2008 Wed 01:21 am

 

Quoting teaschip

 

 

Quote:

Add quoted text here

As catwoman said, I never supported Turkey´s incursion into Northern Iraq. But it is not the issue here.

Your administrations, your country committed the biggest terrorist activities in the world.

You have committed the biggest war crimes since the end of the second world war.

USA´s actions caused millions of people dead in all over the world.

 

Your country is still occupying 2 foreign countries, which are, god knows how many miles from your own soil.

 

And now, your president says "unacceptable in the 21st Century".

 

Now you have me laughing. The U.S. committed the biggest terrorist activties in the world and the biggest war crimes. Let´s not forget history handsom and let´s not forget what Saddam did to his own people. Whether we should have gone into Iraq is debatable, but we certainly didn´t go in to kill thousands of innocent people for the hell of it. I see it in a totally different light for some of the actions my country has done, has saved MORE lives than they have killed by their actions in the scheme of things. I don´t agree how long we have been in Iraq, nor can I fathom why my country would think we could bring democracy to a bunch of crazies in the Middle East, but they did. Forgive us...

 

I dont think you realise what you have done..

let me remind you:

 

-you invaded a country which was nothing to do with you.(You acted as a bully without any UN mandate)

-you are the reason for Iraq´s one million dead people. (Dont say that you are not..who is responsible then? you invaded, removed their army, removed its authority ...)

-you caused 2 million iraqi refugees to other countries (right now many iraqi women and girls are working as prostitutes .)

-2 million internal iraqi refugees..

 

And you still support this?

If those are not the biggest war crimes in recent history and the most disgusting terrorist acts what else?

You have NOT brought democracy..

Nobody wants the democracy you may bring.

You are not wanted there..

Nobody asked you to go there.

It is a crime against humanity and you are still supporting it.

Forgive you?

Dont make me laugh!!

 

 

47.       catwoman
8933 posts
 13 Aug 2008 Wed 04:08 am

 

Quoting teaschip

Now you have me laughing.  The U.S. committed the biggest terrorist activties in the world and the biggest war crimes.  Let´s not forget history handsom and let´s not forget what Saddam did to his own people.  Whether we should have gone into Iraq is debatable, but we certainly didn´t go in to kill thousands of innocent people for the hell of it.  I see it in a totally different light for some of the actions my country has done, has saved MORE lives than they have killed by their actions in the scheme of things.  I don´t agree how long we have been in Iraq, nor can I fathom why my country would think we could bring democracy to a bunch of crazies in the Middle East, but they did.  Forgive us.

 

Teaschip, let´s not forget that Saddam was the friend of US, trained by them. Saddam was doing these things to his own people for a long time and it was not much of a concern. Just like Darfur is not. Why do you think your country went to Iraq to "bring democracy" with tanks and weapons, eh? Your country´s intelligence agency is much smarter then you give them credit. If they wanted to support democracy, they would support democratic movements in that country, but intead they were supporting Saddam. They do this with every group they want the support of. They did it with Islamists, with Bin Laden. They know what to do to support a group or an ideology.

 

Look, CIA killed 6 million people in third world countries in secret operations. If these operations were not to be secret what reason do you think they would have to give you so that you agree on them? Well... they would try to make you more nationalistic, they would paint those people as "crazies" and they would say that their mission is to spread peace. And that´s what they did with Iraq. Your job is to think more critically. And I would also like to ask you to not call those people "crazies", ok? You know NOTHING about them!


The US Third World War


US Millitary aggression 1890 - 2008


William Blum on US Imperialism (short trailer)

48.       teaschip
3870 posts
 13 Aug 2008 Wed 07:09 pm

I´m not going to argue with you about Saddam or why we went to Iraq and why bringing democracy brings tanks, or how many people the U.S. has killed over the years. What I do know is that  leopards don´t change their spots unless you want to argue that point as well. 

49.       alameda
3499 posts
 14 Aug 2008 Thu 12:44 am

 

Quoting teaschip

I´m not going to argue with you about Saddam or why we went to Iraq and why bringing democracy brings tanks, or how many people the U.S. has killed over the years. What I do know is that  leopards don´t change their spots unless you want to argue that point as well. 

 

 I don´t know what leopards have to do with this...open your eyes Teaschip. Read some of the information regarding the invasion of Iraq. There were NO WMDs and it was known. Have you ever heard of Scott Ritter? He wrote about the lack of them before the war started.

 

Have you ever heard of Naomi Klein and her book

The Shock Doctrine The Rise of Disaster Capitalism 
Try reading Richard Clark´s Against all Enemies

 

Many have profited from it. Private contractors like Blackwater, CACI, Haliburton and KBR have done very well $$$ The Military Indu$trial Complex has done very well.

 

At least a million Iraq have lost their lives, how millions have been displaced or wounded.

 

I for one am deeply ashamed of what has been going on for the last 7 years. 

50.       zhang ziyi
205 posts
 16 Aug 2008 Sat 04:33 pm

Turkish pressmen cheat death in Georgia.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_TTInwQfdk&feature=related

 

 

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