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Why criticism of Islam is a necessity
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16 Aug 2008 Sat 03:15 pm |
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These threads always go the same way.
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16 Aug 2008 Sat 03:23 pm |
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Well,not all Americans,but most i guess
As i cant say all Americans hate/dislike Muslims,but most.
I understand why a lot of Muslims get so angry when people say they are all or most terrorists !
I also get offended when Muslims do exactly the same thing by saying all or MOST Americans or non-muslims hate them.
In the same point, how can you claim to know the mind of 300,000 Americans and all of Europe, the same we non-muslims cannot know the mind of a Muslim either !
Nobody likes generalisatioins but it seems everyone is EQUALLY guilty of using them!
Well,im sorry Cacık,also no one love to be hated or disliked !
But i didnt do much effort about it,your Media by all its means stating that one way or another,
reading comments of western people even under some youtube posts,in anything regarding İslam or Muslims saying this
Reading ZZ posts even here,describing how West see us,saying this ´even that wasnt zz intention of those posts´
So actually,you are watching few Muslims ´comparing to Muslims numbers´doing terrorists acts,and you condemning all Muslims by being terrorists
And i watch,read,hear dislike/hatred by most of the means we know ´Media,internet,..ect´ toward Muslims,serrounded by it,and you feel offended that i CLAİM most of the Americans,West hate/dislike us ?!
Well,ok,i also wish it is a claim...just point it out,and i will be VERY glad to admit that is claim,and im wrong !
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16 Aug 2008 Sat 03:23 pm |
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These threads always go the same way.
... especially when you join in. Some people are actually trying to have a conversation, why don´t you go take a walk.
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16 Aug 2008 Sat 03:28 pm |
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Well,im sorry Cacık,also no one love to be hated or disliked !
But i didnt do much effort about it,your Media by all its means stating that one way or another,
reading comments of western people even under some youtube posts,in anything regarding İslam or Muslims saying this
Reading ZZ posts even here,describing how West see us,saying this ´even that wasnt zz intention of those posts´
So actually,you are watching few Muslims ´comparing to Muslims numbers´doing terrorists acts,and you condemning all Muslims by being terrorists
And i watch,read,hear dislike/hatred by most of the means we know ´Media,internet,..ect´ toward Muslims,serrounded by it,and you feel offended that i CLAİM most of the Americans,West hate/dislike us ?!
Well,ok,i also wish it is a claim...just point it out,and i will be VERY glad to admit that is claim,and im wrong !
Canli, I think you are making a good poin here. But I think what you are missing is that if I (or other westerners) apply the same logic, we can also judge all or most Muslims in the same way. If you look at Muslim tv channels, if you look at youtube comments from Muslims, they are not that flattering to Muslims, you know? I just think that most people do not have the voice on tv and do not post on youtube. And those who post on youtube are not somehow representatives of all Muslims and Westerners - by the same token. So I think it´s wrong to make such assumptions about all people.
I do think you have a reason to think that there is an anti-Muslim sentiment in the west. And I also have a reason to believe that there´s anti-western sentiment among Muslims. But we do not know about all/most muslims/westerners.
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16 Aug 2008 Sat 03:29 pm |
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Some people are actually trying to have a conversation
Like Alameda was?
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16 Aug 2008 Sat 03:31 pm |
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you are in a very interesting mood today...  
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16 Aug 2008 Sat 03:38 pm |
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16 Aug 2008 Sat 03:57 pm |
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Canli, I think you are making a good poin here. But I think what you are missing is that if I (or other westerners) apply the same logic, we can also judge all or most Muslims in the same way. If you look at Muslim tv channels, if you look at youtube comments from Muslims, they are not that flattering to Muslims, you know? I just think that most people do not have the voice on tv and do not post on youtube. And those who post on youtube are not somehow representatives of all Muslims and Westerners - by the same token. So I think it´s wrong to make such assumptions about all people.
I do think you have a reason to think that there is an anti-Muslim sentiment in the west. And I also have a reason to believe that there´s anti-western sentiment among Muslims.
Actually,and you are missing a point cat,or maybe two
First,if you will find anything against West in our Media,so that is only for the reason that you have invaded our lands ´USA,UK´
Surely you wouldnt think we will be happy about that and welcome it
Second,our Media doesnt talk bad about the West ,actually we have TV channels that broadcasting Westerns movies,programs,news,events...ect
And they are the most watchable TV channels among people,specially Youth
MBC2,MBC4,Dubai 1,mbc action,fox movies ´those are the free ones´
So no,we dont hate/dislike you...we hate what you do to us,we hate the fact that you hate us
Which made some people actually hate you
Some people used to think,we should make the West understand us better,and have good communication,try to close the gape between us,now most think,no need to pay any effort, because it wont change anything...so if they want to hate us....then let them !
PS: you and i ,we are generally speaking
But we do not know about all/most muslims/westerners.
İ agree with that
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16 Aug 2008 Sat 06:13 pm |
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Canli, it´s a pity you can´t read Dutch but else I would say ´take a look at www.marokko.nl ´ - a forum where many Moroccons living in the Netherlands give their opinion and you will be shocked when you read messages like ´f..ck this country´, ´don´t pay taxes, let´s destroy it´, ´let´s poison the water supplies in western countries´, ´all Dutch are kafirs and should get killed´, ´when we take over the Netherlands then ... (fill in just any threat)´ and thousands more.
I know that it is (hopefully) a minority who says things like that, but can you understand that people get sick of it? Can you understand that when someone calls a woman a whore just because she wears skirts a little above the knee, that woman is not pleased (and probably at guard when meeting the next person from the same group)? I don´t think you can call these happenings ´positive to the west´, do you?
Myself I haven´t had many negative incidents with muslims, but I can sometimes understand feelings from others. Still, I think Catwoman is right, you can´t say ´most´ without generalising. And when you talk about ´our media´ you mean the Egyptian media, I suppose? Perhaps they are different from other media?
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16 Aug 2008 Sat 06:40 pm |
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Canli, it´s a pity you can´t read Dutch but else I would say ´take a look at www.marokko.nl ´ - a forum where many Moroccons living in the Netherlands give their opinion and you will be shocked when you read messages like ´f..ck this country´, ´don´t pay taxes, let´s destroy it´, ´let´s poison the water supplies in western countries´, ´all Dutch are kafirs and should get killed´, ´when we take over the Netherlands then ... (fill in just any threat)´ and thousands more.
I know that it is (hopefully) a minority who says things like that, but can you understand that people get sick of it? Can you understand that when someone calls a woman a whore just because she wears skirts a little above the knee, that woman is not pleased (and probably at guard when meeting the next person from the same group)? I don´t think you can call these happenings ´positive to the west´, do you?
Myself I haven´t had many negative incidents with muslims, but I can sometimes understand feelings from others. Still, I think Catwoman is right, you can´t say ´most´ without generalising. And when you talk about ´our media´ you mean the Egyptian media, I suppose? Perhaps they are different from other media?
I checked out the forum but couldn`t see any comments like what you told or anything close to it. can you give the exact links to the stuff you`re talking about?
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16 Aug 2008 Sat 06:45 pm |
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I checked out the forum but couldn`t see any comments like what you told or anything close to it. can you give the exact links to the stuff you`re talking about?
Can you read Dutch? The examples I gave are not in English, so that´s maybe why you can´t find them.
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