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Why criticism of Islam is a necessity
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15 Aug 2008 Fri 08:51 pm |
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Well
of course, if your imams said the otherwise they would not stay as imam..
Tabari
Bukhari
Abu Dawud
They all say that Ayse was 9 years old when the marriage was consumed. They lived very close to the time when Mohammed was lived and marrying a girl at that age was not considered as blashamy as it is today.
And about me saying jokingly if he was a dudu: Of course I was refering to his marriage to hatica when she was 40 and he was 25 with not much money (and the 500 gold pieces he allegedly paid meyr -money a man paid to the woman before marriage-) and his other wives and slaves etc..
But anyway..That is not the topic here.
The topic was the ´necessity of criticism´ 
Can you give me the lines where those imams said that? as i given my source?
and you are forgetting the fact that... Mohammed meets with Islam during the marriage of his with Hatice! and Hatice was one of the first people who accepted the islam
And he was not after hatica! it was vice versa... duty his being honest and very good charactered person so we can say that he was not a Dudu ...
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15 Aug 2008 Fri 08:56 pm |
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Can He (or She - when you are Pagan) then please play some other songs? The war sounds of the last decade are getting boring.
well change the cabinett then
where i am he plays ok
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15 Aug 2008 Fri 08:56 pm |
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I also heard that "God is a DJ" 
He plays at our local nightclub on the weekends. A few glasses of wine and he gets the house rocking. hahaha
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15 Aug 2008 Fri 08:59 pm |
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He plays at our local nightclub on the weekends. A few glasses of wine and he gets the house rocking. hahaha
wine of love dear!! wine of love 
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15 Aug 2008 Fri 09:00 pm |
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If you would open your eyes Alameda you would see I was mearly pointing out another RUMOR that is also controversial including the above. What don´t you get about a RUMOR...it doesn´t insuiate or validate the truth. Sorry, but I didn´t start this RUMOR and hopefully most people with common sense know never to believe one, unless you have facts. I was giving another example including the many other rumors above that Handsom mentions. Some people just like to make a mole hill into a mountain.
I also heard a RUMOR that Mary wasn´t a virgin...no offense. Oh and Elvis is alive!
There is a line between criticism and insult,
debating why our prophet SAV had married more than 1 wife,why he married Ayşe,what was Ayşe´s age when he had married her...ect
All this can be discussed in healthy debats
Meaning,we can discuss them and me ´in general´ as the one who believe in that religion wouldnt be offended,or complain that you ´also in general´ meant to insult my believes.
As Trudy said,you dont believe in that religion,or i do believe in yours ,so sure we have our mutual criticism
Or else,i would have became Christian and you would have became Muslim.
But clearly saying that there is a RUMOR our prophet is a gay,womanizer, ´or dudu ! ´ and we should be open minded to discuss such...!
That is insult !
Same as saying that there is a RUMOR that Mary was .......not virgin.
That is also insult...and not welcomed
PS: something wrong with quotation !
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15 Aug 2008 Fri 09:10 pm |
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There is a line between criticism and insult,
But clearly saying that there is a RUMOR our prophet is a gay,womanizer, ´or dudu ! ´ and we should be open minded to discuss such...!
That is insult !
Same as saying that there is a RUMOR that Mary was .......not virgin.
That is also insult...and not welcomed
And there is also a line between shrug (and think ´the one who says that is crazy´ ) and feeling insulted. A matter of length of toes, I believe.
Why, can you tell me that, is almost everyone laughing at jokes and mocking about priests, the Pope, reverends, rabbi´s, pandits, Christianity, Jewish belief, Hindoes etc. and are the same type of jokes or mocking about Mohammed or the Islam an immediate insult for muslims?
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15 Aug 2008 Fri 09:13 pm |
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Why, can you tell me that, is almost everyone laughing at jokes and mocking about priests, the Pope, reverends, rabbi´s, pandits, Christianity, Jewish belief, Hindoes etc. and are the same type of jokes or mocking about Mohammed or the Islam an immediate insult for muslims?
For same reason we dont joke or mock about our parents,our mother,our father !
And dont accept it also from others.
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15 Aug 2008 Fri 09:17 pm |
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There is a line between criticism and insult,
debating why our prophet SAV had married more than 1 wife,why he married Ayşe,what was Ayşe´s age when he had married her...ect
All this can be discussed in healthy debats
Meaning,we can discuss them and me ´in general´ as the one who believe in that religion wouldnt be offended,or complain that you ´also in general´ meant to insult my believes.
As Trudy said,you dont believe in that religion,or i do believe in yours ,so sure we have our mutual criticism
Or else,i would have became Christian and you would have became Muslim.
But clearly saying that there is a RUMOR our prophet is a gay,womanizer, ´or dudu ! ´ and we should be open minded to discuss such...!
That is insult !
Same as saying that there is a RUMOR that Mary was .......not virgin.
That is also insult...and not welcomed
PS: something wrong with quotation !
I never asked for you to discuss it. I was adding to handsom´s post. But people want to blow it out of portion.
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15 Aug 2008 Fri 09:18 pm |
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For same reason we dont joke or mock about our parents,our mother,our father !
And dont accept it also from others.
Long toes, as I said.
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15 Aug 2008 Fri 09:20 pm |
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Sry,but what do you mean by that ?
We call it respect.
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15 Aug 2008 Fri 09:25 pm |
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For same reason we dont joke or mock about our parents,our mother,our father !
And dont accept it also from others.
You would not like our comedians then Canli, they joke about everything including their mothers and fathers. It´s not seen as an insult, unless of course your having a heated discussion.
One thing that I noticed on the Last Comic Standing, a tv show here in the states they had a Muslim woman, she was making jokes about her culture, religion etc. and could laugh at some of these things. She was quite entertaining and refreshing and actually made it in the top 20.
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