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Why criticism of Islam is a necessity
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14 Aug 2008 Thu 10:55 pm |
shhhhh...
dont tell anybody!! (and stop winking at me )
Fine then...you can keep your yellow roses. hahaha
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14 Aug 2008 Thu 10:57 pm |
Sui
You can say whatever you like but there are many other sources claim the opposite.
This is a contraversial issue and i dont think it will be solved easily and any idea will be known as ´a 100% fact´..
And also, aishe´s age is one of the hundreds of contraversial topics. (how many wives Mohammed had, how many childeren, was he a dudu when he was marrying hatice, how did he get married to his step son´s wife, why suddenly there was something before god which allowed him to marry her etc..)
Basically, all these have to be discussed without fear and being told of ´ah you are NOT respecting my religion´
You have forgotten the rumor he was gay.....
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14 Aug 2008 Thu 10:58 pm |
Fine then...you can keep your yellow roses. hahaha
haha
well..ermm...I did not mean that..
I mean..you can wink at me..ok?
ha ha
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14 Aug 2008 Thu 10:58 pm |
so you cant make islam responsible for early marriages too.
I won´t as long as muslims don´t insist on saying 9 is the age that girls are like grown ups, old enough to marry, old enough to compulsary by the parents wear a scarf or tell me that the body of a child of 9 is grown enough to fast 29/30 days (while a boy has to start around 14, that´s what muslims tell me). And unfortunately I know quite some muslims who order their daughters to fast and the scarf from their nineth birthday, happily for these girls the law here does not accept marriages (but maybe they are not legally wed just imam nikah maybe...)
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14 Aug 2008 Thu 11:03 pm |
Sui
You can say whatever you like but there are many other sources claim the opposite.
This is a contraversial issue , i dont think it will be solved easily and I dont think we will have an idea which will be known as ´a 100% fact´..
And also, aishe´s age is one of the hundreds of contraversial topics. (how many wives Mohammed had, how many childeren, was he a dudu when he was marrying hatice, how did he get married to his step son´s wife, why suddenly there was something before god which allowed him to marry her etc..)
Basically, all these have to be discussed without fear and being told of ´ah you are NOT respecting my religion´
Turkey is changing man!
i will give you one example now... Ataturk is one of the biggest Tabu of Turkey.
there was two girl who was telling about their love about Humeyni and they dont love Ataturk etc...
and then there was a court about insulting Ataturk etc...
and what jugde says? The value of Ataturk can not be changed according to that two ignorant girls love him or dont.
you can ask too many questions... i have no problems with that... but its irritating and not exciting to talk such things without good knowlegdes...
you know that Diyanet old minister!!! you are a Turk right? and also there will be such sansational news or comments just to create tension and discrimation between two religiouns... vice versa is also possible...
let me tell one thing... i was living at those times to tell you the truth really!! i really wish!
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14 Aug 2008 Thu 11:07 pm |
I won´t as long as muslims don´t insist on saying 9 is the age that girls are like grown ups, old enough to marry, old enough to compulsary by the parents wear a scarf or tell me that the body of a child of 9 is grown enough to fast 29/30 days (while a boy has to start around 14, that´s what muslims tell me). And unfortunately I know quite some muslims who order their daughters to fast and the scarf from their nineth birthday, happily for these girls the law here does not accept marriages (but maybe they are not legally wed just imam nikah maybe...)
I was also fasting at the age of 9! and i am still alive! and it was enjoyable!! coz i was at the same table eating joking talking with my parents and brother!
come on! the people in africa is fasting for all their life!!! you many more problems in this world near that what those f.cking extremists so called muslims do or think!
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14 Aug 2008 Thu 11:17 pm |
I was also fasting at the age of 9! and i am still alive! and it was enjoyable!! coz i was at the same table eating joking talking with my parents and brother!
come on! the people in africa is fasting for all their life!!! you many more problems in this world near that what those f.cking extremists so called muslims do or think!
You missed my point: the compulsary one.
And yes, you are very right that some f.cking extremists so called muslims abuse the islam with their actions. Problem is, everywhere in the world this little group is heard and the very normal majority is so silent. Let them speak out against those extremists please, I really think that might change views.
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14 Aug 2008 Thu 11:54 pm |
You have forgotten the rumor he was gay.....
Rumor says he was gay or womanizer teas?!
İ dont think its appropriate to call a prophet either way,or dudu come to think about it !
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14 Aug 2008 Thu 11:59 pm |
The person i quoted is a very well knowledged and very good person... he was one of the best persons for islam in Turkey... he was an old head minister of all imams and religious workers in Turkey...
he basically explains that Mohammed was not together and married to Aisah at the age of 9...
he says that we can find how old Aisah was according to her older sister´s(Esma) biography.
Esma was dead at the age of 100 and the hicret ( the big travel from Mekke to Medine) was 73 years ago from her death and Aisah was 10 years younger. so when hicret was done Aisah was 17 years old. And Mohammed was married to him 8 monthes after the hicret...
and he also says that Aisah was engaged to another one before!! when there was not islam in that city properly!!!!
so you cant make islam responsible for early marriages too.
thats the math and with the true sources... i think and most of people thinks that he is one of the trustworthy persons for such occasions...
Our imams also say same thing about Ayşe´s age using math related to her older sister´s(Esma) biography.
And also the fact that she was engaged before to another man.
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15 Aug 2008 Fri 12:32 am |
Rumor says he was gay or womanizer teas?!
İ dont think its appropriate to call a prophet either way,or dudu come to think about it !
The thing here is... you shouldnt get angry if they talk such things about your prophet you believe in...
Because these words can not or will not change your believes... so let them speak... just live your life... when they say something just argue with your sources and quotes...
no need to fight and make things personal...
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15 Aug 2008 Fri 12:51 am |
Well,actually Sui,i wont ,im very busy studying
Beside,i believe i said many things before,so they can consider me saying them again lol
But my point was,we can debat or criticise each other believes,i also dont have their believe,but we should respect each other Holy books,prophets,...ect
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