Welcome
Login:   Pass:     Register - Forgot Password - Resend Activation

Turkish Class Forums / General/Off-topic

General/Off-topic

Add reply to this discussion
Will non-Muslims go to heaven too?
(95 Messages in 10 pages - View all)
1 2 [3] 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
20.       azade
1606 posts
 12 Oct 2008 Sun 11:07 am

On the note of spirituality - who has a chance and who has not I´ve studied texts that clearly show that if you´re Catholic and you follow all the rituals and is overall a good person, you have a pretty good chance for an afterlife (in history you could just buy your way out of course). If you are Lutheran the important thing is that you simply believe (a part of believing is also to be nice towards other people). I don´t know about other religions since I have not studied them.

 

Islam says that "only Allah knows" so no answer is definite I guess, but the islamic texts indicate that non-Muslims will not go to heaven.

21.       catwoman
8933 posts
 12 Oct 2008 Sun 05:12 pm

 

Quoting azade

Islam says that "only Allah knows" so no answer is definite I guess, but the islamic texts indicate that non-Muslims will not go to heaven.

 

 

Quoting armegon

 Such verses emphasize that giving a name of one´s religion or creed carries no importance. Besides the word muslim means "the one who submitted to God". And i think his definition of sabians seems wrong to me also .

 

So it looks like the two of you have different answers... Didn´t someone say before that Islam has clear answers?

22.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 12 Oct 2008 Sun 08:31 pm

 

Quoting catwoman

So it looks like the two of you have different answers... Didn´t someone say before that Islam has clear answers?

 

 Actually I tend to think that the Quran is rather ´mysterious´ on the topic of afterlife for ´non-muslims´. In some parts, it orders you to do things or prohibits you to do things, and if you follow these up you will go to heaven (like haram halal hasan etc) . But I also read this verse where it says it is enough for a christian to recognize Muhammad as the prophet. I cant remember exactly, but I remember when reading Quran, I oculdnt figure out what exactly ´needs´ to be done to enter heaven, and if non-muslims could meet such requirements as well.

 

 I personally believe in nothing, sometimes I feel as if I do believe in some power and in some ´energy´ that we could turn into after we die, but most of the time I believe in nothing. But I certainly do not believe in a power (or a God) that has composed an unclear book of rules, I don´t believe in a power within a framework of ´theology´. Actually, if I were to believe, I would refuse to believe in a religion that says that people who live their lives equally good, don´t have the same rights of going to heaven, only because one believes in God and acts accordingly, and the other does not believe but acts out of human goodness.

23.       MrX67
2540 posts
 12 Oct 2008 Sun 09:49 pm

i think thats easier to find most objective trues in ethical rules instead of theological  claims...life´s self is heaven or hell already,depend our prefers,isn´t it?

24.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 14 Oct 2008 Tue 12:27 am

Even as a Christian, I have a hard time thinking certain people are excluded from heaven.  It seems kind of silly when you think most religions preach a basically the same principles.....yes, even the ones that are not one of the three major monotheistic religions. 

 

If I am to believe in Christs teachings (which I do)....he died for everyones sins...not just some peoples sins.  He especially reached out to those with the greatest amount of sin and asked us not to judge other people.  I don´t think it is for people to judge other peoples worthiness to get into heaven.  

25.       catwoman
8933 posts
 14 Oct 2008 Tue 01:01 am

It´s hard for me to imagine that some people may actually think that only they will go to heaven (if such a place exists), just because they belong to a specific religion. lol

26.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 14 Oct 2008 Tue 01:11 am

 

Quoting catwoman

It´s hard for me to imagine that some people may actually think that only they will go to heaven (if such a place exists), just because they belong to a specific religion. lol

 

 Me too. In Turkey I had an American ´friend´, of whom I always wondered where he spent his breaks. Later I realised he had been reading the Bible. All fine and well until later I heard from anotehr classmate he had said I (and another classmate, the only atheists in course) would burn in hell.  It´s impossible to have a friendship with someone who thinks that way.

27.       catwoman
8933 posts
 14 Oct 2008 Tue 01:19 am

 

Quoting Deli_kizin

All fine and well until later I heard from anotehr classmate he had said I (and another classmate, the only atheists in course) would burn in hell.  It´s impossible to have a friendship with someone who thinks that way.

 

Isn´t this an ultimate arrogance and fascism? And this is exactly where religions become fascistic. Such a person must harvest lots of hatred and be mentally ill, otherwise I don´t know how anybody would wish and accept something like that for another human being, just because they ´think´ differently. {#lang_emotions_you_crazy}

28.       teaschip
3870 posts
 14 Oct 2008 Tue 01:41 am

 

Quoting catwoman

It´s hard for me to imagine that some people may actually think that only they will go to heaven (if such a place exists), just because they belong to a specific religion. lol

 

 I agree with Lis and I don´t think because you are a specific religion only those will go to heaven.  But I also believe if you don´t allow God in your life, you will be judged.  Call me arrogant..but I don´t believe heaven is just a free ticket.

29.       azade
1606 posts
 14 Oct 2008 Tue 01:41 am

But - why be religious in the first place if you think anyone´s let in?

30.       teaschip
3870 posts
 14 Oct 2008 Tue 01:45 am

 

Quoting azade

But - why be religious in the first place if you think anyone´s let in?

 

 I also question this..I happen to think if you don´t believe in God you will be judged..

(95 Messages in 10 pages - View all)
1 2 [3] 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
Add reply to this discussion




Turkish Dictionary
Turkish Chat
Open mini chat
New in Forums
Why yer gördüm but yeri geziyorum
HaydiDeer: Thank you very much, makes perfect sense!
Etmeyi vs etmek
HaydiDeer: Thank you very much!
Görülmez vs görünmiyor
HaydiDeer: Thank you very much, very well explained!
Içeri and içeriye
HaydiDeer: Thank you very much for the detailed ...
Present continous tense
HaydiDeer: Got it, thank you!
Hic vs herhangi, degil vs yok
HaydiDeer: Thank you very much!
Rize Artvin Airport Transfer - Rize Tours
rizetours: Dear Guest; In order to make your Black Sea trip more enjoyable, our c...
What does \"kabul ettiğini\" mean?
HaydiDeer: Thank you very much for the detailed ...
Kimse vs biri (anyone)
HaydiDeer: Thank you!
Random Pictures of Turkey
Most commented