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Will non-Muslims go to heaven too?
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12 Oct 2008 Sun 11:07 am |
On the note of spirituality - who has a chance and who has not I´ve studied texts that clearly show that if you´re Catholic and you follow all the rituals and is overall a good person, you have a pretty good chance for an afterlife (in history you could just buy your way out of course). If you are Lutheran the important thing is that you simply believe (a part of believing is also to be nice towards other people). I don´t know about other religions since I have not studied them.
Islam says that "only Allah knows" so no answer is definite I guess, but the islamic texts indicate that non-Muslims will not go to heaven.
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12 Oct 2008 Sun 05:12 pm |
Islam says that "only Allah knows" so no answer is definite I guess, but the islamic texts indicate that non-Muslims will not go to heaven.
Such verses emphasize that giving a name of one´s religion or creed carries no importance. Besides the word muslim means "the one who submitted to God". And i think his definition of sabians seems wrong to me also .
So it looks like the two of you have different answers... Didn´t someone say before that Islam has clear answers?
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12 Oct 2008 Sun 08:31 pm |
So it looks like the two of you have different answers... Didn´t someone say before that Islam has clear answers?
Actually I tend to think that the Quran is rather ´mysterious´ on the topic of afterlife for ´non-muslims´. In some parts, it orders you to do things or prohibits you to do things, and if you follow these up you will go to heaven (like haram halal hasan etc) . But I also read this verse where it says it is enough for a christian to recognize Muhammad as the prophet. I cant remember exactly, but I remember when reading Quran, I oculdnt figure out what exactly ´needs´ to be done to enter heaven, and if non-muslims could meet such requirements as well.
I personally believe in nothing, sometimes I feel as if I do believe in some power and in some ´energy´ that we could turn into after we die, but most of the time I believe in nothing. But I certainly do not believe in a power (or a God) that has composed an unclear book of rules, I don´t believe in a power within a framework of ´theology´. Actually, if I were to believe, I would refuse to believe in a religion that says that people who live their lives equally good, don´t have the same rights of going to heaven, only because one believes in God and acts accordingly, and the other does not believe but acts out of human goodness.
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12 Oct 2008 Sun 09:49 pm |
i think thats easier to find most objective trues in ethical rules instead of theological claims...life´s self is heaven or hell already,depend our prefers,isn´t it?
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14 Oct 2008 Tue 12:27 am |
Even as a Christian, I have a hard time thinking certain people are excluded from heaven. It seems kind of silly when you think most religions preach a basically the same principles.....yes, even the ones that are not one of the three major monotheistic religions.
If I am to believe in Christs teachings (which I do)....he died for everyones sins...not just some peoples sins. He especially reached out to those with the greatest amount of sin and asked us not to judge other people. I don´t think it is for people to judge other peoples worthiness to get into heaven.
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14 Oct 2008 Tue 01:01 am |
It´s hard for me to imagine that some people may actually think that only they will go to heaven (if such a place exists), just because they belong to a specific religion.
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14 Oct 2008 Tue 01:11 am |
It´s hard for me to imagine that some people may actually think that only they will go to heaven (if such a place exists), just because they belong to a specific religion.
Me too. In Turkey I had an American ´friend´, of whom I always wondered where he spent his breaks. Later I realised he had been reading the Bible. All fine and well until later I heard from anotehr classmate he had said I (and another classmate, the only atheists in course) would burn in hell. It´s impossible to have a friendship with someone who thinks that way.
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14 Oct 2008 Tue 01:19 am |
All fine and well until later I heard from anotehr classmate he had said I (and another classmate, the only atheists in course) would burn in hell. It´s impossible to have a friendship with someone who thinks that way.
Isn´t this an ultimate arrogance and fascism? And this is exactly where religions become fascistic. Such a person must harvest lots of hatred and be mentally ill, otherwise I don´t know how anybody would wish and accept something like that for another human being, just because they ´think´ differently.
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14 Oct 2008 Tue 01:41 am |
It´s hard for me to imagine that some people may actually think that only they will go to heaven (if such a place exists), just because they belong to a specific religion.
I agree with Lis and I don´t think because you are a specific religion only those will go to heaven. But I also believe if you don´t allow God in your life, you will be judged. Call me arrogant..but I don´t believe heaven is just a free ticket.
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14 Oct 2008 Tue 01:41 am |
But - why be religious in the first place if you think anyone´s let in?
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14 Oct 2008 Tue 01:45 am |
But - why be religious in the first place if you think anyone´s let in?
I also question this..I happen to think if you don´t believe in God you will be judged..
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