Selling sex and selling cookies? One basic idea when you sell sex is that the man has the right to do anything that he wants to you. That is what they are buying. When you legalize prostitution and forbid men to abuse prostituted women, they will stop coming there and instead they will look for a new black market of illegal prostitution in which he will be able to buy abusive sex.

We clearly do not talk about the same type of sexuality or pornography or prostitution. Anyway I have to work tomorrow so I´m off to bed.

May it be clear that I am against the same things you are. I only really don´t agree with your definition of female sexuality and female exploitation. And the exceptions you speak of are apparantly different from the ones I speak of as well. Anyway. I´ll agree to disagree and wish you a good night

Catwoman; this is the world that we are living in. If you ever tried to materialize at least just a few of the things you proposed you´d understand how unlikely it is to succeed in the end.

If you actually take a cap and go to places where these women work; you will find most of them are characters usually even more dominant than the men they are serving.They will probably not even let you speak.

On my street there are many high class hookers riding around in their fancy BMW´s. They set the rules, make it quick and safe for them. I have been told most clients are either too old or too drunk to actually do something to these women. How do I know all these? There is a well-known secret that 90% of men cheat their wives and some do it with prostitutes. Males are sex hungry.

I thank God everyday for not being like those men. Amen.

Good night canim, hope we can continue the conversation later.

I respect your view Vineyards, but I refuse to agree on a world where we cheat and exploit each other. You seem to accept it. There´s no doubt that there are women who financially benefit from patriarchy, if they play it right, and if they accept their role. Humans accomodate to anything, but that doesn´t make it right, and doesn´t change the fact that the majority of women suffer immeasurably - directly and indirectly.

I recently came across two prostitutes in Turkey. It was obvious what they were even though they were out in a normal bar with two men. My initial reaction was disgust and horror to be honest and I judged them.

I happened to go to the bathroom the same side of them however, and changed my mind about these women. It was obvious that the one was very upset whilst the other tried to comfort her.

My partner explained to me that they were not turkish but of some arabic decent (you could tell by the accent) and that they are were most likely part of the sex trafficing. I do believe that there needs to be a union to help these kinds of people, but surely its takes free will to sign up to these kind of these and so would only be avaliable to those who had it...not the poor girls I saw.

Yes, there has to be help provided for these women. However, if we don´t address the roots of the problem, it will never be solved. As it is shown by the facts that we´ve been fighting with these problems forever and they are not going away.

your correct...it is at the end of the day the oldest occupation. I´m just so thankful that it isnt my path. I´d love to do domething to help these girls!

what we all should do is to challenge sexism... that will set the ground for a true transformation of the culture so that women never have to find themselves in such circumstances.

Yes I agree, but this is such a huge task I have no doubt that this type of problem shall continue for a very long time!

this is an age old debate and will be continually debated for some time

i totally agree that in situations where the sex worker has no choice or is forcably made to work in the industry then it can be considered degrading or as a form of domination.

I have worked very closely with ladies who have chosen the sex industry as their "profession", their thoughts far from being degraded, feel that they hold the upper hand. They are in control, they make the rules, and god help the "punter" that steps out of line. The men come to them, the men pay them, the men play by their rules...... Who is the degraded one here!!. 

Some of the ladies used this job to pay their way through uni, they were smart, strong, opinionated women..... hey some even admited they liked the sex part!!!

while my heart goes out to the workers who get trapped and forced into this trade....thankfully i, personally have not come across those who have experienced this first hand

there will always be a sex trade while people want sex and are willing to pay for it!

so if a trade workers unions gives more protection then they should have it ....... but if it is anything like my union they will be screwed either way anyway!!!!