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200.       lemon
1374 posts
 24 Apr 2010 Sat 08:56 pm

 

Quoting catwoman

 

 

I think the problem is that if you state negative generalizations about the entire group of people and make it sound like these are their innate qualities (without any effect of the environment), this may give an impression that that entire group/nation is in some way less human, which gives justification to dehumanization and bad/racist treatment or unprovoked aggression towards that group by racist elements from other groups.

 

I don´t think you are lying and I don´t think that your intention was racist. I thought (with other moderators) that the statement was racist, whether you intended it that way or not.

 

I don´t know any gypsies personally, but it may well be true what you have said - that majority of gypsies live the way you described - nonetheless, I think that you should have mentioned that there probably are gypsies who do not fit the stereotype (statistically this has to be the case, even if you don´t know any personally) or provided explanation as to what could have driven these people to act in these bad ways when you state this in a public place.

 

My generalization is based upon the behaviour of 80-90% of gypsies. Judge it yourself.

You generalize Turks on the same principle. In that case you have to go back and delete your own posts.

 

Thank you for acknowledging my intentions. God created Gypsies as He created me, so we all stand equal in His eyes no matter what ethnicity we come from.

 

When I state anything about anything I state what I know and what I saw. I dont have to give any explanation or justification. I dont have to sugar-coat in order to satisfy eyes of readers.

201.       Trudy
7887 posts
 24 Apr 2010 Sat 09:18 pm

 

Quoting lemon

 

 

My generalization is based upon the behaviour of 80-90% of gypsies. 

 

Do you know / Have you met 80-90% of the gypsies? Do you know differences in the several groups like Roma and Sinti? How can you tell these horrible things based on a few observations by yourself and the experiences of one friend? {#emotions_dlg.you_crazy}

202.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 24 Apr 2010 Sat 10:22 pm

 

Quoting Trudy

 

 

Do you know / Have you met 80-90% of the gypsies? Do you know differences in the several groups like Roma and Sinti? How can you tell these horrible things based on a few observations by yourself and the experiences of one friend? {#emotions_dlg.you_crazy}

 I guess he will say "sixth sense" {#emotions_dlg.lol}

 

203.       spritzer
106 posts
 24 Apr 2010 Sat 10:24 pm

 

Quoting Trudy

 

 

Do you know / Have you met 80-90% of the gypsies? Do you know differences in the several groups like Roma and Sinti? How can you tell these horrible things based on a few observations by yourself and the experiences of one friend? {#emotions_dlg.you_crazy}

 

why continue to add fuel to the fire if lemon feels this way let him he is only one person and everyone adding to this just makes it worse

it takes two people to argue a point, idea, theory etc....

and in reality who cares ...........

 

 

 

this is like children in a school yard



Edited (4/24/2010) by spritzer

204.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 24 Apr 2010 Sat 10:30 pm

 

Quoting spritzer

 

 

why continue to add fuel to the fire if lemon feels this way let him he is only one person and everyone adding to this just makes it worse

it takes two people to argue a point, idea, theory etc....

and in reality who cares ...........

 

 

 

this is like children in a school yard

 

I am a child

I want to be

always right.

                   To spritzer

 

This is my second last post {#emotions_dlg.lol} I think spritzer is right. By the way don´t force me to write my third last post. {#emotions_dlg.razz}

 

205.       spritzer
106 posts
 24 Apr 2010 Sat 10:32 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teMlv3ripSM

 



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206.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 24 Apr 2010 Sat 10:49 pm

lol... wanted to go back to the topic by Googling my last question myself... Any other Turkish Nobel prize winners? Turns out Pamuk was the only one Whoopsy, my diversion attempt has failed Next question, let´s say you have to choose a Turkish person (dead or alive) for a Nobel prize, who would get it? I´m interested the most in the Nobel peace prize. You have to choose ONE, so even if you have a list, who would be entitled to it the most?

 

 

Edit... Since we´re also talking about Ottomans, I think we can add Mother Theresa to the list. She was born in the Ottoman Empire Even though she was from modern day Macedonia, she was an Ottoman back in the day.



Edited (4/24/2010) by barba_mama

207.       spritzer
106 posts
 24 Apr 2010 Sat 10:52 pm

Nazim Hikmet - his lead his life with his beliefs whether right or wrong his kept to his own politcal beliefs and was exhiled for this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N%C3%A2z%C4%B1m_Hikmet



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208.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 24 Apr 2010 Sat 11:10 pm

 

Quoting spritzer

Nazim Hikmet - his lead his life with his beliefs whether right or wrong his kept to his own politcal beliefs and was exhiled for this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N%C3%A2z%C4%B1m_Hikmet

 

 My favourite is Turan Dursun.He deseves a Nobel Peace Prize.He is not a poet but a hero. Nazım is a great poet but not a hero.



Edited (4/24/2010) by gokuyum

209.       lemon
1374 posts
 25 Apr 2010 Sun 01:01 am

 

Quoting Trudy

 

 

Do you know / Have you met 80-90% of the gypsies? Do you know differences in the several groups like Roma and Sinti? How can you tell these horrible things based on a few observations by yourself and the experiences of one friend? {#emotions_dlg.you_crazy}

 

Trudy, cut down your anger, control emotions and dont show me this sign {#emotions_dlg.you_crazy}

 

tell me, how many gypsies you and barba met or known? so far, barba mentioned of her knowledge of one gypsy. others posted many words but none could bring any significant evidence to support their claims of gypsies being wonderful innocent walking angels. all they said was a big modern philosophy of "WE LOVE EVERYONE" and calling me a racist and other fantasies they dreamt of me.

 

on my part, I come from Kazakhstan. I saw gypsies almost everyday in my life. They were tolerated despite their actions and played a significant role of our society and culture.  Every once and then other tabors would come through my village and go from house to house asking for money. I was times and times grounded by my parents for giving them money. I was a child. They asked I gave. They conned so many friends and relatives of mine anywhere, mostly at bazars, trains and town centres.

Then I lived in Poland another country that hosts a big community. I lived in Kedzierzyn-Kozle. I saw them everyday. Most of the time they spend in town square, begging and nagging, pulling your hand, your jacket. I hated going to town centre, I felt uncomfortable.

Then I moved to Opole, to the newly built district. And guess what neighbourhood I moved into? They dont work, but they have enough money to buy new apartments. Amazing? Immeditaely our buggy has disappered within a week, and then a bike.(oh, no UFO)

Now it looks like my statement is not based on a few experience and my friends story, doesnt it?

 

No. I know nothing about the divisons. I am not a big expert or any -ologist. I repeat, I speak of what I saw. But I know gypsies deny romanis and romanis deny gypsies.

210.       lemon
1374 posts
 25 Apr 2010 Sun 01:02 am

 

Quoting gokuyum

 

 I guess he will say "sixth sense" {#emotions_dlg.lol}

 

 

What a pathetic comment!

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