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50.       lemon
1374 posts
 10 Jun 2010 Thu 05:02 pm

 

Quoting Daydreamer

Lemon, I´m really sorry but everything can be explained using the "you´re not God, so you won´t understand" argument. If it convinces you, it´s fine. I am not convinced by it. What would happen if science didn´t develop because people thought - it´s God´s creation, we won´t be able to comprehend it anyway?

 

Your argument does make sense. I didnt say you are not God therefore you dont understand God. Nobody can understand Him fully, it is impossible even for the whole eternity. That is why He is God.

Nobody forces you to understand Him. I dont. I am just trying to draw you a picture, a little tiny fragment, I dont know. Believe me, DD, I wont convince, and it is not my business to do so.

Why on earth it makes you think that I am forcing you to accept something that you cant comprehend in million years?

 

Besides, how do you know I´m not God? How can you be sure, my only purpose here is to test you? {#emotions_dlg.unsure} I won´t have to prove my being God to you as I´m not a party entertainer. How can you be sure there´s world around you? Maybe it´s an illusion created to test your faith? See - all we believe is a matter of choice. And this is how it is

 

There are lots of things you and I dont know. In order to state that theres no God you ve gotta learn all the knowledge of everything, of things visible and invisble.

My faith is not hocus phocus magic. Neither it is blind. Taking into consideration things happening around you that partly is cruel and evil I refuse to think its fun or party illusion. You are real, I am real, visible and invisible world are real.

 

Anyway, I´m not going to (or even trying) to convince you and you´re not going to convince me either, so let´s just agree to differ

True, we differ. But I know what you know, I´ve been there, I´ve tasted the same.

You dont know what I know. You havent tasted it.

Thats how we differ.

 

 

 

51.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 10 Jun 2010 Thu 05:08 pm

Lemonku, you can´t possibly know where I have been either Each one of us, TC users, have their own experience, and nobody has it the same way. I can say the same thing about you- you don´t know what I know. It leaves no space for discussion

52.       lemon
1374 posts
 10 Jun 2010 Thu 07:04 pm

 

Quoting Daydreamer

Lemonku, you can´t possibly know where I have been either Each one of us, TC users, have their own experience, and nobody has it the same way. I can say the same thing about you- you don´t know what I know. It leaves no space for discussion

 

We are not talking about the personal stuff or experiences. {#emotions_dlg.lol} Smiac mi sie chce.

I assure you that you dont know what I know. It doesnt make me better than you.

I know what you know, its a simple human life without God. And you dont know the simple human life with God. That is the difference. You´ve never experienced the Grace.

53.       lemon
1374 posts
 10 Jun 2010 Thu 07:28 pm

 

Quoting barba_mama

 

 

 I checked the Bible...my name wasn´t in there.

 

Your intellect strikes me as usual {#emotions_dlg.rolleyes} 

 

You didn´t give me Good news... just bad. "You are going to hell" is bad news. You didn´t say "you are going to hell if you reject God" or something... you just made assumptions about my life, based on nothing, and condemned me. How is that "the good news"?

 

I said times and times that if you dont reconcile with God you will go to Hell. I follow some of the threads and I think its true what they say about you: you simply dont read the posts at all. You babble for the sake of babbling. You claim to know of the things you dont know and go into discussions.

 

You are not an evangelist, you are a dooms-speaker.

 

Yes, I am not Billy Graham, Joel Osteen, Rick Warren or Pope. God save me from them. God´s wrath is upon them, upon false teachers. I mean God literally raises such teachers and prophets for people like you, to tickle your ears.

 

You don´t tell people what they need to do to reach heaven.

why? Why cant I? If I know the story of salvation what holds me to share it?

 

The thing is, you don´t know that from looking on an internet forum. It´s anonymous, and it doesn´t say anything about the people´s lives.

On the contrary, it does say a lot, many people post thei thoughts, and their thoughts reflect their inner world. Perhaps you may not know what your wife or husband really think of, even though you live together, share one bed. Most people leave their honest thoughts on the internet because they are anonymous, they dont have to hide or pretend.

So, according to your posts that I read, you are going to hell.

 

Perhaps the pope is on here, trying to learn Turkish, and you have just condemned him to hell.

All popes are in hell. If popes followed the techings of Christ they wouldnt live the life they had. God´s wrath is upon the whole Vatican, if you ask Bible.

 

Or maybe the sweetest, most helpfull Salvation Army worker was posting translations on here, and you also condemned her to hell.

 

Since when the Salvation Army possess the automatic entrance to Heaven? Does it say so in Bible? Does it say that popes and other SWEET good doers will go to Heaven? or is it your fantasy again?

 

It will be busy there, because by the way you judge people, you´ll be sitting alone in heaven all grumpy and the rest of the world will be in the eternal fires.

When I am with God I am not alone. Your vision of hell and heaven equals to the Sunday school level.

I think my daughter knows Bible way better than you.


 

 

54.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 10 Jun 2010 Thu 07:45 pm

Okay, so what are my sins? You seem to know so much about me. Am I married or not? A virgin...yes, no? Do I vast before Easter or not? Do I go to church, to the mosque, to the synagogue.... do I pray every night, or do I never pray at all? All knowing lemon, tell me what are the things that are going to send me straight to hell?

55.       lemon
1374 posts
 10 Jun 2010 Thu 08:10 pm

 

Quoting barba_mama

Okay, so what are my sins? You seem to know so much about me. Am I married or not? A virgin...yes, no? Do I vast before Easter or not? Do I go to church, to the mosque, to the synagogue.... do I pray every night, or do I never pray at all? All knowing lemon, tell me what are the things that are going to send me straight to hell?

 

I dont know and dont care for your personal life, married or virgin, happy or sad, full of events and actions or empty, successful or looser, its your business. To me you can be a miserable begger in the corner. Your life has nothing to do with the salvation issue.

There are millions of people who religously go to churches, they will go to hell as well. Why? Because they dont worship God, they worship their churches, their traditions, their religions, their good charitable deeds, their saints, their leaders. None of them read Bible, none of them live in grace. They love themselves, they enjoy their lives.

You know of the existence of prayerless prayers? So what you pray, shamanists and paganists too pray. There are people who do a prayer before slaughtering you.

 

You ask me what things send you to hell. I say all things send you to hell. You asked a wrong question. Ask a question from which you can benefit.

56.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 10 Jun 2010 Thu 10:29 pm

 

Quoting lemon

 

 

We are not talking about the personal stuff or experiences. {#emotions_dlg.lol} Smiac mi sie chce.

I assure you that you dont know what I know. It doesnt make me better than you.

I know what you know, its a simple human life without God. And you dont know the simple human life with God. That is the difference. You´ve never experienced the Grace.

 

Of course we are talking about personal experience - after all believing or not is a personal matter You´re saying you´ve experienced life without God and I have experienced life with God. Then you changed your mind and so did I, the difference between our experience is that we just went two different paths

57.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 11 Jun 2010 Fri 12:59 am

So you agree that you know nothing about me and still you think you are able to know that I´m going to hell... Hmm...sounds like a "proud look" to me. (The Bible readers will know what I mean)

58.       lemon
1374 posts
 11 Jun 2010 Fri 11:19 am

 

Quoting Daydreamer

 

 

Of course we are talking about personal experience - after all believing or not is a personal matter You´re saying you´ve experienced life without God and I have experienced life with God. Then you changed your mind and so did I, the difference between our experience is that we just went two different paths

 

DD, please, dont twist the argument here. All of us have personal experiences - it is just life. But what I meant is you never lived in Grace. So, how do you know a thing you´ve never experienced and still give your opinion on it. Do you read me?

I dont want to win an argument here. If you stated things honestly, then it must be so. Who am I to state otherwise?

59.       lemon
1374 posts
 11 Jun 2010 Fri 11:41 am

 

Quoting barba_mama

So you agree that you know nothing about me and still you think you are able to know that I´m going to hell... Hmm...sounds like a "proud look" to me. (The Bible readers will know what I mean)

 

With you an argument looks like this  {#emotions_dlg.head_bang}  Honestly, you act like my daughter who is just 12. (to you the discussion is around you, you keep talking about yourself constantly, the core of discussion is barba, not God. Barba this, barba that) Is it difficult to see that the question is not you Barba but Barbas, millions of Barbas who are heading to hell. You say that I dont know you personally therefore I cant say that you are going to hell. Sounds like fair. But I will repeat you are going to hell if you dont repent, seriously. God hates you charity. He doesnt need your good deeds. All He wants is your heart, completely devoted to Him. Your thinking is shallow. You maybe surprised to find that Hitler is in Heaven and you are in Hell. Maybe Hitler asked for forgiveness and repented? While Barba was busy doing charity and kept her nose up high?

 

I prefer talking to DD who is at least an honest atheist and does not pretend a believer like you.

 

 

60.       metehan2001
501 posts
 13 Jun 2010 Sun 01:22 am

´Come, come, whoever you are: Wanderer, idolater, worshiper of fire. Come even though you have broken your vows a thousand times. Come, and come yet again. Ours is not a caravan of despair.´

 

Maulana Jalal ed-Din Rumi (A famous Muslim mystic)

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