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An unpleasant attack at a Muslim cemetery
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20.       lemon
1374 posts
 15 Aug 2010 Sun 07:28 pm

 

Quoting Thebirdy

 

 sorry lemon but i see a little contradiction here. You are catholic, right or am I wrong?If yes you seem to have forgotten about the whole army of saints who are deceased,beatified,canonized and placed above as spiritual superiority to whom catholics pray as well.Are those who pray to them stupid as well?

 

 

TheBirdy, yes, anyone who worship dead, any saint, anything or anyone except God is acting against God and His commandment that forbids idol worshipping.

Many people are ignorant because they dont love and respect their Creator God.

 

21.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 15 Aug 2010 Sun 08:26 pm

So what does God think of people who destroy things, who hurt people, who steal? God must have an opinion about destroying property, whatever that property might be.

22.       lemon
1374 posts
 15 Aug 2010 Sun 10:43 pm

 

Quoting barba_mama

So what does God think of people who destroy things, who hurt people, who steal? God must have an opinion about destroying property, whatever that property might be.

 

I personally think God hates 100% of what you, Barba do. If He hates 100% of what you do then He must hate 100% of what others do.

23.       vineyards
1954 posts
 16 Aug 2010 Mon 02:00 am

J;esus was a Jew who thought usury was wrong. Did people heed his words  the entire modern day economy would shape up a lot more differently. Today, there are Christians divided into sects living a life what they call Christian and I think this whole thing is the biggest defamation ever done to a person. It has simply nothing to do with what Jesus wanted to teach.

Anyone who calls himself or herself a follower of Jesus Christ must open up his heart to compassion, a compassion of people dead or alive without seeking reciprocity. Those who love Jesus know the meaning of sacrifice and decency. I am an agnostic and I consider both Mohammad and Jesus as ordinary persons just like you and me. I would however buy Jesus´ cause and admire the way he wanted to convert his people. Unfortunately, both prophets are failures from a spiritual point of view because the moral values they wanted to spread did not last, and remained in the ashes of history.

Jesus was crucified in this world by people like us, people in whose mindsets government, economy and social stability are preferable to any virtue. Wars are still being fought for this reason and that was also the reason why Jews collaborated with their greatest enemies -the Romans, for the elimination of another Jew who they say, had never committed a single sin but tried to make people better individuals with all his power.

 



Edited (8/16/2010) by vineyards

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24.       si++
3785 posts
 16 Aug 2010 Mon 07:44 am

 

Quoting thehandsom

In the beginning of this thread, the source is given:

http://www.haberturk.com.tr..-musluman-mezarligina-saldiri

One of the comments from a Turk in the source  almost explains everything :

peki trabzondaki hristiyan mezarligina ne oldu ? belediye dozerlerle bir gecede hepsini yikti en son konusacak kisiler turklerdir, sayisiz boyle vakalar turkiyede oldu ve oluyor ! . isiniz gucunuz demagoji yapmak...

translation will be :

So, what happened to the Christian grave yard in Trabzon? Municipal government demolished all of them with a bulldozer in a night. There have been many incident like this  happened and still happening in Turkey. ....

 

 

What´s it got to do with attcking tombstones?

 

There was a grave yard in the memories of my childhood in the middle of the village where I was born. The vilage developed and  turned into a coastal town. The graveyard was in the town center now.

The municipality has decided to use it for other purpose. Now there are a health clinic, the municipality building, a meeting place, cafeterias and a beautiful park on it.

 

It was a Muslim graveyard by the way.



Edited (8/16/2010) by si++

25.       si++
3785 posts
 16 Aug 2010 Mon 07:52 am

 

Quoting lemon

So bible doesn´t adress this type things, right? That means an obeyer like you doesn´t (or shouldn´t or doesn´t have to) give it a sh** about this kind of things??

Dont get so mad. Discuss. Dont get personal. Mind your language. Bible says nothing about honoring and respecting dead. Its all about honoring and respecting God.

And if it doesn´t say anything for it, you wouldn´t care (in proper language)??

 

By the way are there many Christian Kazaks in your native country? How do they compare to Muslims in number/percentage?

Which way this is relevant to the subject? What for do you need to know the percentage? Or you just got soooooo mad that had no proper argument?

A Christian Kazak is not something to found easily, right? That´s why. Never mind if you´re offended.

 

 

 

 

26.       lemon
1374 posts
 16 Aug 2010 Mon 09:28 am

Si--,

You know one Kazakh Christian, right? You can learn from her a loooooooooooot. She is different from other Kazakhs. Cool

27.       si++
3785 posts
 16 Aug 2010 Mon 10:16 am

 

Quoting lemon

Si++,

You know one Kazakh Christian, right? You can learn from her a loooooooooooot. She is different from other Kazakhs. Sounds like it, so much that I having some difficulty in believing that she is a Kazak indeed. Cool

No thanks. Not interested at all.

 

28.       lemon
1374 posts
 16 Aug 2010 Mon 11:04 am

 

Quoting si++

 

No thanks. Not interested at all.

 

 

Fine, no force from my side. {#emotions_dlg.whistle}

29.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 16 Aug 2010 Mon 11:47 am

 

Quoting si++

 

 

What´s it got to do with attcking tombstones?

 

There was a grave yard in the memories of my childhood in the middle of the village where I was born. The vilage developed and  turned into a coastal town. The graveyard was in the town center now.

The municipality has decided to use it for other purpose. Now there are a health clinic, the municipality building, a meeting place, cafeterias and a beautiful park on it.

 

It was a Muslim graveyard by the way.

 

You got to be joking!! Right?

The links were  about burning, blasting churches, removing Christian graveyards, removing people and their traces etc. 

can you not see the connection and similarity and the similar hatred of others in both incident? (of course ignoring the argument that they might have been just drunken teenagers!) 

I mean, seriously?

I think it is only some Turkish people´s logic work such as way like ´Turks dont do such things/never did/will never do. But Christians do´.

And the most important and depressing thing is that they think ´that logic is very normal´ and others must think the same..  {#emotions_dlg.confused}

 

 

30.       si++
3785 posts
 16 Aug 2010 Mon 12:07 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

You got to be joking!! Right?

The links were  about burning, blasting churches, removing Christian graveyards, removing people and their traces etc. 

can you not see the connection and similarity and the similar hatred of others in both incident? (of course ignoring the argument that they might have been just drunken teenagers!) 

I mean, seriously?

I think it is only some Turkish people´s logic work such as way like ´Turks dont do such things/never did/will never do. But Christians do´.

And the most important and depressing thing is that they think ´that logic is very normal´ and others must think the same..  {#emotions_dlg.confused}

 

 

 

Why should I be joking?

This is about attcaking tombstones I have also provided another link for attacks on tombstones in Christian graveyards.

 

You´re talking about something else.

If a municipality decides to destroy a graveyard it´s (or should be) a legal action. I´m sure they wouldn´t do it without justifying their decision legally. It can be a Muslim or Christian graveyard or whatever.

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